Fp red wastegate actuator
Oct 19, 2012, 04:49 PM
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Fp red wastegate actuator
I am going to be buying an Fp red with kelford cams and a bunch of other mods, but in the end I will be pushing 450whp @ 25-28psi
What Actuator should I go with the 18psi or the 25psi?
I dont autocross the car at all or run it hard alot. Its a street car for the most part. I dont know if that matters but the more info the better.
What Actuator should I go with the 18psi or the 25psi?
I dont autocross the car at all or run it hard alot. Its a street car for the most part. I dont know if that matters but the more info the better.
Oct 19, 2012, 05:15 PM
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If you don't have any intention of running lower than 25psi then the 25psi actuator would best suit you. What fuel will you be on?
I've got a 25psi actuator on my Red and with some preload i hold a solid 27psi...this is however not on pump gas.
I've got a 25psi actuator on my Red and with some preload i hold a solid 27psi...this is however not on pump gas.
Oct 19, 2012, 07:20 PM
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Is this gonna be a JB, or a BB Red? The JB Red spools kinda slow so I don't see the need for the 25# actuator if you will be limiting peak boost level to the mid 20's. Me I prefer a heavily preloaded 18 pounder to an unpreloaded 25 pounder if I am only be running up into mid 20# range especially on the slower spooling JB version of the Red. Just my .02
Oct 19, 2012, 07:35 PM
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I am going ball bearing. And since that got brought up is ball bearing really the way to go? I had a guy tell me not to go with Maperformances Ef3 turbo cuz its journal bearings and they fail alot when pushing 450+ whp. So instead of paying $1800 for the ef3 turbo i am gojng to go with the $2500 fp red bb turbo.
Is this worth it when putting 450whp on a car that is street use only with an occasional quater mile pull.
Is this worth it when putting 450whp on a car that is street use only with an occasional quater mile pull.
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I don't know. If you are willing to spend the $2500 price, then you may want to think about the BB Black instead of a BB Red. The Black is worth 40WHP over the Red even without a tune and they cost the same. The BB Black will get you to 450 on pump easily, even with a crappy tune.
More specifically, for the $700 price difference it would be hard for me to justify purchasing a BB Red vs. the MAP EF3. For $1800 you are getting a lot of turbo for your money with the EF3. So, maybe there is a 300 RPM spool difference. But, so what?
More specifically, for the $700 price difference it would be hard for me to justify purchasing a BB Red vs. the MAP EF3. For $1800 you are getting a lot of turbo for your money with the EF3. So, maybe there is a 300 RPM spool difference. But, so what?
Oct 20, 2012, 07:33 AM
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I don't know. If you are willing to spend the $2500 price, then you may want to think about the BB Black instead of a BB Red. The Black is worth 40WHP over the Red even without a tune and they cost the same. The BB Black will get you to 450 on pump easily, even with a crappy tune.
More specifically, for the $700 price difference it would be hard for me to justify purchasing a BB Red vs. the MAP EF3. For $1800 you are getting a lot of turbo for your money with the EF3. So, maybe there is a 300 RPM spool difference. But, so what?
More specifically, for the $700 price difference it would be hard for me to justify purchasing a BB Red vs. the MAP EF3. For $1800 you are getting a lot of turbo for your money with the EF3. So, maybe there is a 300 RPM spool difference. But, so what?
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Sure the BB Red will be more responsive than the BB Black no doubt. You are right. I have never driven in a car with a Black, but some have said that there is only a 200-300 RPM difference between Red and Black.
Have you considered a BB HTA Green? There are so many options. Or a BBK-B BB(aka 3B). Both a 3B and a BB Green would be super more responsive than a Red.
Have you considered a BB HTA Green? There are so many options. Or a BBK-B BB(aka 3B). Both a 3B and a BB Green would be super more responsive than a Red.
Oct 21, 2012, 05:44 AM
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Sure the BB Red will be more responsive than the BB Black no doubt. You are right. I have never driven in a car with a Black, but some have said that there is only a 200-300 RPM difference between Red and Black.
Have you considered a BB HTA Green? There are so many options. Or a BBK-B BB(aka 3B). Both a 3B and a BB Green would be super more responsive than a Red.
Have you considered a BB HTA Green? There are so many options. Or a BBK-B BB(aka 3B). Both a 3B and a BB Green would be super more responsive than a Red.
I geuss tho what is the difference between an fp hta green and a fp bb red?
I also know have heard that the green can give to much low end torque and destroy an engine. I am running a stock block btw.
F*** me this is a pain making a descision. Lol.
Oct 21, 2012, 06:23 AM
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I was just wanting to get a better idea of the sort of driving that you will be doing. You say that there will be no Auto-X. What about drag racing or HPDE track sessions?
People who have tried both the Red and the Black say that there is actually only a 300 RPM spool-up difference between the two. I have no personal experience with the FP Black, but still it is hard for me to believe that there is only a 300 RPM spool difference.
Don't get me wrong, the FP Red, especially in ball bearing format must be a great turbo in its own right. I have the older, journal bearing Red on my car. On a stock 2-Liter motor the JB Red is just about 400-500 too slow of a spooler for my purposes.
Thus, admittedly, for me at least the 300 RPM quicker spooling BB Red would probably come closer to my ideal for the canyon carving that I do ......but still no cigar. Close but no cigar. Close is good in Horseshoes, but not in turbos.
Don't get me wrong, the BB Red fitted with a FP 25# actuator may be just the right choice for your application. It is an incredible turbo. I am just not so sure that it would be ideal for all types of driving on a stock 2-Liter motor.
I realize that I have just gone and made you more confused. It is just that $2500 for a turbo is a lot of money. You want to make sure that you research thoroughly before making a final choice.
There is a lot to be said for a journal bearing turbo such as the BBK-Full as a pump gas turbo in my opinion. Although it is journal bearing, it has proven to be extremely reliable. It is a multi-purpose beast: One of the better pump gas turbos and a lot of guys love it for track applications such as road racing as well.
I know that you said that you want room to grow, but still you are going to have to live with and enjoy driving your car in the meantime, until you finally do an engine build.
People who have tried both the Red and the Black say that there is actually only a 300 RPM spool-up difference between the two. I have no personal experience with the FP Black, but still it is hard for me to believe that there is only a 300 RPM spool difference.
Don't get me wrong, the FP Red, especially in ball bearing format must be a great turbo in its own right. I have the older, journal bearing Red on my car. On a stock 2-Liter motor the JB Red is just about 400-500 too slow of a spooler for my purposes.
Thus, admittedly, for me at least the 300 RPM quicker spooling BB Red would probably come closer to my ideal for the canyon carving that I do ......but still no cigar. Close but no cigar. Close is good in Horseshoes, but not in turbos.
Don't get me wrong, the BB Red fitted with a FP 25# actuator may be just the right choice for your application. It is an incredible turbo. I am just not so sure that it would be ideal for all types of driving on a stock 2-Liter motor.
I realize that I have just gone and made you more confused. It is just that $2500 for a turbo is a lot of money. You want to make sure that you research thoroughly before making a final choice.
There is a lot to be said for a journal bearing turbo such as the BBK-Full as a pump gas turbo in my opinion. Although it is journal bearing, it has proven to be extremely reliable. It is a multi-purpose beast: One of the better pump gas turbos and a lot of guys love it for track applications such as road racing as well.
I know that you said that you want room to grow, but still you are going to have to live with and enjoy driving your car in the meantime, until you finally do an engine build.
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Oct 21, 2012, 06:48 AM
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Great points, and thank you.
But I may take it to the strip once or twice to see what I can run with it. I am doing a ton of research on the two. It sounds like I should go with a red instead of the HTA green because I want to hit at least 450whp. I know tho the closer I get to 500 the closer I am getting to make it a little iffy being on a stock 2.0 block.
I will probably be going with the fp BB red but now the black got thrown in the mix. My car is black so does that matter?
In my SIG you will see what my setup will be besides the turbo obviously.
Still
on the Red or black.
Oh btw I will be running on 93 pump on a stock block. E85 is way to scattered around Lower WI.
But I may take it to the strip once or twice to see what I can run with it. I am doing a ton of research on the two. It sounds like I should go with a red instead of the HTA green because I want to hit at least 450whp. I know tho the closer I get to 500 the closer I am getting to make it a little iffy being on a stock 2.0 block.
I will probably be going with the fp BB red but now the black got thrown in the mix. My car is black so does that matter?
In my SIG you will see what my setup will be besides the turbo obviously.
Still
on the Red or black.Oh btw I will be running on 93 pump on a stock block. E85 is way to scattered around Lower WI.
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Oct 22, 2012, 07:41 PM
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So I still dont know what wastegate actuator I should get. I am running 93 pump gas. just a street car driven hard. I want to be at or above 450 whp with my mods listed in my SIG. Im geussing I will be peaking @ 26-28psi but I really wont know that until my tune.
Any help would be great. thanx
Any help would be great. thanx
