Best Intercooler?
Mar 9, 2004, 09:08 PM
#33
Originally posted by Shahul X
is the AMS the only, TOTALLY bolt on IC? with no modification???
not that the minor trimming is an issue on others like Bushur
-shahul
is the AMS the only, TOTALLY bolt on IC? with no modification???
not that the minor trimming is an issue on others like Bushur
-shahul
Mar 10, 2004, 02:44 AM
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Originally posted by STFU Tuning
does anyone have pictures of the lower IC piping from buscher, compared to the stock lower IC piping? I am also trying to decide on a new FMIC and I like the idea of making that lower piping work more efficiently. Are there any other kits out there that do the same thing with the lower pipe that buscher does?
Thanks
does anyone have pictures of the lower IC piping from buscher, compared to the stock lower IC piping? I am also trying to decide on a new FMIC and I like the idea of making that lower piping work more efficiently. Are there any other kits out there that do the same thing with the lower pipe that buscher does?
Thanks
Mar 10, 2004, 03:07 AM
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The intercooler isnt just a power producing mod.. its a detonation reducing mod. Cooler air, less probability of detonation as the air fuel mixture will be much cooler than with the stock IC.
My own personal school of thought.. kill the thing that kills your engine before it kills you OR your bank account. I'd replace the IC b4 replacing the turbine...
My own personal school of thought.. kill the thing that kills your engine before it kills you OR your bank account. I'd replace the IC b4 replacing the turbine...
Mar 10, 2004, 05:20 AM
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Just my opinion, but fitting water injection is MUCH better at quelling detonation than a bigger intercooler. I now that the tanks can run out, but if you let them then that’s your fault. I am not saying that there is no point in a larger FMIC by any means, I think they are a great mod, but when it comes to pinking water injection is the best why. Personally I think the Greddy is the best from a performance point. I’m not dissing Buschur, but that end tank, good for flow, no comment. If you want the ultimate fit the one that Boost Sloutions has to its mad Evo!
Mar 10, 2004, 07:51 AM
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I didnt say it was the best.. all i said is that its a ping reducing mod... and i agree that mist injection is another ping reducing mod.. but the best ping reducing mod (if u can call it that) is using high octane fuel... the higher the better.. there is no better alternative...
Mar 10, 2004, 08:01 AM
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Nice to see that we both agree. but race gas is so exspencive. how many people over there are running water injection? someone on a UK forum said it wasn't that popular of there (and it was said on here too)!!!!!
Mar 10, 2004, 08:16 AM
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If u mean in Brunei, no one.. US, absolutely no idea...
Personally, i dont really like the idea of water going into the engine.... opens up too many avenues for disaster... although minute amounts may be fine... but an entire tank seems a bit too much.. the concept itself is brilliant though but I'd still prefer cooler air/fuel mixtures to wetter...
And if i get excessive detonation.. i tune down... doesnt hurt me.. doesnt hurt the car.. everyone happy...
Personally, i dont really like the idea of water going into the engine.... opens up too many avenues for disaster... although minute amounts may be fine... but an entire tank seems a bit too much.. the concept itself is brilliant though but I'd still prefer cooler air/fuel mixtures to wetter...
And if i get excessive detonation.. i tune down... doesnt hurt me.. doesnt hurt the car.. everyone happy...
Mar 10, 2004, 08:18 AM
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Anyway, u guys in UK don't get much detonation problems, do you? I believe its 2-6 degrees C now... 
After 8 yrs there.. and coming back here.. into the year long summers.. i'm beginning to miss the cold wet gloomy winters there....
After 8 yrs there.. and coming back here.. into the year long summers.. i'm beginning to miss the cold wet gloomy winters there....
Mar 10, 2004, 12:15 PM
#43
Originally posted by Angel Of Mercy
If u mean in Brunei, no one.. US, absolutely no idea...
Personally, i dont really like the idea of water going into the engine.... opens up too many avenues for disaster... although minute amounts may be fine... but an entire tank seems a bit too much.. the concept itself is brilliant though but I'd still prefer cooler air/fuel mixtures to wetter...
And if i get excessive detonation.. i tune down... doesnt hurt me.. doesnt hurt the car.. everyone happy...
If u mean in Brunei, no one.. US, absolutely no idea...
Personally, i dont really like the idea of water going into the engine.... opens up too many avenues for disaster... although minute amounts may be fine... but an entire tank seems a bit too much.. the concept itself is brilliant though but I'd still prefer cooler air/fuel mixtures to wetter...
And if i get excessive detonation.. i tune down... doesnt hurt me.. doesnt hurt the car.. everyone happy...
Check out:
Water injection forum (very informative)
Water injection FAQ
With WI, you can tune higher A/F ratios without worrying about detonation, to a degree. (12.5:1 instead of 11.5:1 or whatever).
Happy spraying!
Regards,
Joe
Mar 10, 2004, 05:05 PM
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hmm .. seen most pple talking about the greddy, RnR, buschur etc etc .. no one ever mentioned ARC ??? Too expensive ?? or just plain unable to get them ?? IMO, they are very efficient units .. haven't been able to compare the rest .. but I'd guess they'll be around the ballpark .. anyone ACTUALLY measured the temperature drop across these ICs ??
Mar 10, 2004, 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by 4G63>OOOO
You might want to research this a bit more. A properly tuned WI system is as good or better than any intercooler you will design, period. Just like a properly tuned motor will yield power, so will a proper WI system.
Check out:
Water injection forum (very informative)
Water injection FAQ
With WI, you can tune higher A/F ratios without worrying about detonation, to a degree. (12.5:1 instead of 11.5:1 or whatever).
Happy spraying!
Regards,
Joe
You might want to research this a bit more. A properly tuned WI system is as good or better than any intercooler you will design, period. Just like a properly tuned motor will yield power, so will a proper WI system.
Check out:
Water injection forum (very informative)
Water injection FAQ
With WI, you can tune higher A/F ratios without worrying about detonation, to a degree. (12.5:1 instead of 11.5:1 or whatever).
Happy spraying!
Regards,
Joe
Thanks for posting it. I wonder how one could inject water (or perhaps something like toluene) just when needed? I guess the AEM ems has several outputs and inputs and I could perhaps program it to spray at full throttle.... I also wonder if the spraying could be done in the IC outlet pipe? Or perhaps it must be done at the intake manifold?. I was thinking that it would be extremely efficient and very cool to inject an octane improver at just the right time. Toluene comes to mind. It would seem that a metered amount shot into the IC pipes just at full throttle woul be phenomenal. just think, getting 96-98 or higher octane only when needed! the rest of the time (cruising, part throttle under light loads, etc.) you'd run on 93 octane pump gas! One gallon of toluene could conceivably last for 3 or 4 tankfulls of fuel.....