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Old Oct 19, 2015 | 05:23 AM
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Exedy twin brainstorming

Alright guys here's the deal, I bought my car around 2 years ago. The previous owner had installed an exedy twin. About 4 months into owning the car my throw out bearing split. No big deal, I pulled the transmission, replaced the TOB and figured why not rebuild the clutch.

I replaced the two friction disks, intermediate plate and pressure plate. I reused the HD cover and the flywheel. Upon reassembling everything and getting ready to drive, I realise that my clutch seems to not fully disengage. I bled the system 4 times to ensure there was no air in the system. Also I had to adjust the clutch as far out as the adjustment could go. Anything less and the car would not go into gear.

So being optimistic, I thought maybe after the break in period it'll sort itself out. Yeah it didn't, and it's beaten up my synchros. So I did some research and found a post online stating that the flywheel towers had to be polished so the intermediate plate wouldn't hang up and cause the clutch to drag. Awesome, that should be a cheap fix, only time consuming.

But I got to thinking, if the car didn't have this problem before and I'm still using the same flywheel, shouldn't that void that out? I know there's also an issue with bending the discs while installing the transmission, just not sure how probable that is.

Basically I'm hoping you guys can give me some input of things to look at when I pull the trans. I don't want to overlook something and polish the flywheel, or replace the disks when it could be something else.

I'm leaning towards the disks being damaged from install, since the problem didn't exist before. I have an ACT monoloc for the record. Thanks ahead for any input guys. Ill be tearing into it soon and hopefully find the problem and keep this thread updated, since this seems to be very common.
Old Oct 21, 2015 | 12:59 PM
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clutch problems are the hardest to diagnose on paper. and easy when you can see the parts. only thing I can say for sure polishing the towers is not your problem. it would only improve high rpm shifting.
Old Oct 21, 2015 | 02:33 PM
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I had to replace the warped Pressure Plate (The outer purple basket) on my Exedy Twin HD once to resolve clutch dragging problem. Yeah the syncro took a beating too.
Old Oct 26, 2015 | 06:45 AM
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My clutch only seems to drag at low rpm/idle. I've never had any blocking, notchiness or anything at high rpm. I am starting to lean more towards something is warped and not allowing full range of motion. Luckily i still have the old disks and intermediate plate which were in ok shape. So if its one of those then it'll be cheap.
Old Nov 1, 2015 | 11:22 AM
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Got the clutch taken apart and was surprised at what I saw. Everything looks to be in good/expected condition for 10k miles. Although the clutch disk closest to the flywheel along with the flywheel had abnormal wear. They were wearing along the outer edge of the friction surfaces.






Not sure what to think. Maybe a warped disk? It's obviously been dragging but only a small section is making contact. I had the flywheel turned before the clutch was installed and everything but the purple cover was new. Every component in front of this disk looks completely fine with no signs of abnormal wear.
Old Nov 1, 2015 | 12:07 PM
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Did you take off the "towers" the same amount you took of the flywheel surface?
Old Nov 1, 2015 | 12:38 PM
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Yes I did. Only thing that wasn't done to the flywheel was polishing the towers. Both the towers and the face were surfaced.
Old Nov 30, 2015 | 10:10 PM
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Were any of the spring tabs on the center floater plate broken?
Old Dec 1, 2015 | 04:52 AM
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Heres your problem, you didnt align the floater plate with the flywheel. You can see the marks where it was wearing instead of where it should sit in the flywheel.

This is a common mistake...

Old Dec 19, 2015 | 12:41 PM
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Iv seen that issue when my buddy installed his twin he switched around with a new friction plate and was all good
Old Dec 20, 2015 | 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by evolve_VIII
Heres your problem, you didnt align the floater plate with the flywheel. You can see the marks where it was wearing instead of where it should sit in the flywheel.

This is a common mistake...

Bingo!
Old Dec 21, 2015 | 02:11 PM
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Well that's kinda strange. You'd think that the line up should be more obvious when installing this clutch, but Exedy doesn't make it clear enough. I've learned to follow the white dots painted on the pressure plate, floater, and flywheel.


I'm running an exedy twin with a HTOB push conversion. No real issues as of yet, but I am interested in learned how placing the floater plate out of phase like that would cause the clutch to wear on the outside.



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Old Dec 21, 2015 | 02:27 PM
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The springs are supposed to go into those notches. Clocking it incorrectly doesn't allow the clutch plates to clamp down on the discs properly.
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Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
The springs are supposed to go into those notches. Clocking it incorrectly doesn't allow the clutch plates to clamp down on the discs properly.
Oh, I see now! I thought that those notches were small wear marks, but it turns out that they are carved into the flywheel to allow for clamping space.

Thanks for the heads up.

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Old Dec 22, 2015 | 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
The springs are supposed to go into those notches. Clocking it incorrectly doesn't allow the clutch plates to clamp down on the discs properly.
Yeah, if my car made more power then I'm sure it would've slipped pretty bad. I got in touch with Exedy a while back and they pointed out the exact same problem.

The car is done now, just need to put it on the ground and adjust the clutch. Hopefully it solves my dragging problem.


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