engine code problem
#1
engine code problem
car is running like pooo engine code p0134 bank 1 sensor 1 no activity??
is this front o2 sensor??
also getting p0171 bank 1 system too lean
thanks for the help
is this front o2 sensor??
also getting p0171 bank 1 system too lean
thanks for the help
Last edited by EVOnoir; Sep 21, 2004 at 06:41 AM.
#3
Do you have an aftermarket air filter on there? I was getting that error periodically when I added my new MAF pipe (and a few other things, but it was specifically the MAF pipe)
Are you getting any other codes in addition to that? How are you measuring your AFR's that your detecting it not changing? Can't answer anything until we know more about your configuration and how your measuring AFR's
Are you getting any other codes in addition to that? How are you measuring your AFR's that your detecting it not changing? Can't answer anything until we know more about your configuration and how your measuring AFR's
#5
Originally Posted by Nad1370
^^^ Yes more info would help. What are your mods?
Are you running cams ?
Are you running cams ?
#7
I have the same 2 codes, o171 and 0134. I too suspect is the front o2 sensor or the MAF sensor, I never mess with the front o2 so I don't know how it went bad with only 5000miles on my car though... Let us know if it fixed the code by swaping the front o2.
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#8
Do you run leaded race gas in your cars ever? So many tanks of leaded gas will cause the O2 sensors to crap out after a while. If the front O2 sensor is bad the car WILL run/idle like crap becasue the ECU has nothing to base its adjustments on.
#9
Originally Posted by kevo
I have the same 2 codes, o171 and 0134. I too suspect is the front o2 sensor or the MAF sensor, I never mess with the front o2 so I don't know how it went bad with only 5000miles on my car though... Let us know if it fixed the code by swaping the front o2.
malibu jack: how would i know if my maf is messed up? everything ive read about the po134 and po171 codes are it has to do with ignition or injector citcuits. more info about my car is that i did hear a rather loud noise coming from the injectors yesterday, and they sounded like they were "clicking" irraticly for a part that has to be in time. thanks for the help with this, i will keep posted, and all other help is wanted,
#10
I doubted is the injectors since I'm running on stock injectors, And I know someone with the 0171 with a stock car. Even I have these 2 codes (0171,0134), my car idle the same and run the same. Seems like there aren't any effects in performance. But I would still want to figure out what's causing it. Btw, I never run leaded gas in my car.
Evonoir, so you put a new front o2 sensor in and still get the code?
Evonoir, so you put a new front o2 sensor in and still get the code?
#11
Originally Posted by kevo
I doubted is the injectors since I'm running on stock injectors, And I know someone with the 0171 with a stock car. Even I have these 2 codes (0171,0134), my car idle the same and run the same. Seems like there aren't any effects in performance. But I would still want to figure out what's causing it. Btw, I never run leaded gas in my car.
Evonoir, so you put a new front o2 sensor in and still get the code?
Evonoir, so you put a new front o2 sensor in and still get the code?
#12
Ahhh... PO171 lean code.
What it is is its showing a big diff. on long and short term fuel trim. One should be off-setting the other lso their total value is close to 0.
Ex: short---3.2 %
........long--... -3.0%
If you have cams, meaning a lot of overlap at idle. The MAF is reading a lot of air coming in ( lean ) or the O2 see's more air comong out ,so it tries to richen up the mixture. This will lengthen the long term fuel since the short term is already on the positive side.
This will trip the code because both fuel trims are not equal to 0. Either a 171 lean code or a 172 rich code. In this case with cams with a lot of overlap it will most of the time trip this code.
So it's not always the O2 sensors fault its just trying to adjust( at its limit ) what it see's coming of the exhaust
What it is is its showing a big diff. on long and short term fuel trim. One should be off-setting the other lso their total value is close to 0.
Ex: short---3.2 %
........long--... -3.0%
If you have cams, meaning a lot of overlap at idle. The MAF is reading a lot of air coming in ( lean ) or the O2 see's more air comong out ,so it tries to richen up the mixture. This will lengthen the long term fuel since the short term is already on the positive side.
This will trip the code because both fuel trims are not equal to 0. Either a 171 lean code or a 172 rich code. In this case with cams with a lot of overlap it will most of the time trip this code.
So it's not always the O2 sensors fault its just trying to adjust( at its limit ) what it see's coming of the exhaust
#13
Originally Posted by Nad1370
Ahhh... PO171 lean code.
What it is is its showing a big diff. on long and short term fuel trim. One should be off-setting the other lso their total value is close to 0.
Ex: short---3.2 %
........long--... -3.0%
If you have cams, meaning a lot of overlap at idle. The MAF is reading a lot of air coming in ( lean ) or the O2 see's more air comong out ,so it tries to richen up the mixture. This will lengthen the long term fuel since the short term is already on the positive side.
This will trip the code because both fuel trims are not equal to 0. Either a 171 lean code or a 172 rich code. In this case with cams with a lot of overlap it will most of the time trip this code.
So it's not always the O2 sensors fault its just trying to adjust( at its limit ) what it see's coming of the exhaust
What it is is its showing a big diff. on long and short term fuel trim. One should be off-setting the other lso their total value is close to 0.
Ex: short---3.2 %
........long--... -3.0%
If you have cams, meaning a lot of overlap at idle. The MAF is reading a lot of air coming in ( lean ) or the O2 see's more air comong out ,so it tries to richen up the mixture. This will lengthen the long term fuel since the short term is already on the positive side.
This will trip the code because both fuel trims are not equal to 0. Either a 171 lean code or a 172 rich code. In this case with cams with a lot of overlap it will most of the time trip this code.
So it's not always the O2 sensors fault its just trying to adjust( at its limit ) what it see's coming of the exhaust
#14
I saw a booklet before which tell you what the codes mean and whats causing it. For 0171 there are a few possibilities
1) Vaccumn leaks
2) MAF sensor
3) O2 sensor
I might try to swap the MAF with my friend and see if it fix the problem.
1) Vaccumn leaks
2) MAF sensor
3) O2 sensor
I might try to swap the MAF with my friend and see if it fix the problem.
#15
Originally Posted by kevo
I saw a booklet before which tell you what the codes mean and whats causing it. For 0171 there are a few possibilities
1) Vaccumn leaks
2) MAF sensor
3) O2 sensor
I might try to swap the MAF with my friend and see if it fix the problem.
1) Vaccumn leaks
2) MAF sensor
3) O2 sensor
I might try to swap the MAF with my friend and see if it fix the problem.
Throwing cams and bigger injectors, ect.. kinda throws those possibilities out the door.
Evonoir, did you check the freeze frame on that 171 code? Did this happen at idle? I wouldn't worry about lack of performance if it did.
I think the only fix is going stand alone so you can fine tune the rough edges in the air/fuel mix at every rpm.
But if anybody out there knows away around it please chime in.