astondg

Firstly I don't know why Mitsubishi is bothering to return to WRC at all. I think their time would be better spent if they concentrated on Group N. The WRC cars are nothing like the road cars and Mitsubishi doesn't have the money to develop a competitive WRC car. At least in Group N they can race with the car they have and keep making it better for all their customers .

I don't think change is a bad thing, I do like the WRC the way it is but if it did go to 2L NA I am sure the manufacturers would still get a lot of power (but never the torque of the turbo cars) with the amount of money they invest. But then that won't make the WRC any cheaper. If this technology was passed to the road cars then I think it would be a good thing, I like small, high reving, & powerfull NA engines, but I doubt this would happen, or only in small amounts. I think that at least 2 of the current WRC manufacturers don't even make an AWD road car or a 2L turbo like they currently use so I don't see why that would change.

Aston

johnnysixer

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If theres any motorsport that needs serious change it would definitely be Nascar. Its called stock car racing but the cars aren't stock, theyre simply the same damn chassis and shape with the manufacturers lights and grille stickered on it. And with all the damn technicalities in Nascar (ex. someone car be a lap behind and allowed to catch up during a caution flag and then go to win the race ) , its not even racing.

I love WRC just the way it is. Not one manufacturer is dominating, and nearly every race is one buy only a few seconds. Though I doubt these proposed changes will actually be put into action, it would certainly suck for Subaru and Petter Solberg. And me being a huge Solberg fan, it would suck for me too.

EVOag

I hope none of this happens...

hotrod2448

It's unfortunate that all major race series have become big business and they have to do what puts people in the stands and in front of their tv's to keep sponsors happy. Fault Nascar all you want, their cars aren't the coolest but, they must be doing something right. They are making money hand over fist, have a field full of competive cars, and hundreds of thousands of fans. They have what WRC needs to survive, big money sponsors.

evolved04

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the thing is i always thought that the WRC had the big money sponsors, just not american money sponsors. Nascar is appealing to people because it isnt just racing, it is entertainment. people that arent into cars, or racing watch it because it has all this drama, it is more like a movie than a motorsport. the nascar gurus know this, and have done a great job appealing to those people. me,,,,,,,,, i just want motorsports and nascar gets further away from that every year. by attempting to make the playing field more level they are simply trying to entertain people. i hate that. so what if ferrari is unstoppable, the rest of you better not take an OFF-SEASON cause you need to do your homework, they just succeed at what they did, now mosely wants to punish them, and seb loeb and citroen, and solberg and subaru, i mean really, mosely is going to make the FIA more comparable to warner bros than any motorsport regulation group. he is maybe doing the better thing for the sport, but f that. i want to see the hardest working team win, by snotloads if that is what they deserve. f the little guy he was probably on vacation while the winner busted his *** 14 hours a day. the man is taking over..... defeat is inevitable.

hotrod2448

Your not getting it. Yes, ferrari works hard to have an advantage and yes they deserve to win by a lap and a half but, what makes racing racing is having other teams to compete with. When the other teams have enough of getting their asses handed to them and start pulling out like jaguar and ford after a while there is no one to race against. Then what?

I happen to work in Nascar and believe me I don't like what they are doing to the sport but, if what they are doing is what ensures I have a job next year I can't really argue with that. The boys at Jaguar are probably wishing the FIA did something sooner.

eclipsegs2k1

i can't stand nascar and most fans of nascar either

Ang Wen Yan

Bad .Don't argree.

machron1

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4G63 is already deprecated in the Evo lineup, and probably all others in favor of the new "World Engine" joint venture with hyundai and some other folks. The last 4G63 will be in the Evo IX and get a MIVEC head. Collector's item anyone?

AcA

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YES SIR

machron1

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The popularity of NASCAR and all it stands for is proof positive we live in the land of backwoods retards that can't relate to anything that doesn't have a carburator. I wonder when they'll wake up and smell the 1980's...

Cabo

What "wanna-be" snobs like you fail to realize (and I happen to find quite ironic and funny) is that there is such big money in NASCAR now, that it is loaded with "distinguishing" (read -- rich) people behind the scenes and in the stands. Been to a race lately? There are just as many BMW's and pimped-out Navigators in the parking lot as there are '89 Thunderbirds and chevy trucks. Sounds like you may be the one who is a bit behind the times.

While I do realize that I run the risk of stereotyping by trying to link social status to racing preference (as you have), I have to say that plenty of the the euro-jap car "experts" that used to sit around and watch F1 and WRC all day have switched over to NASCAR. I know quite a few...

NASCAR is more American than baseball now, and the fan base is getting bigger every day. *Most* of the drivers are respectable family men, and they don't go on strike every other year and whine for more money. Most of the major networks cover it in some way, shape or form, and you see less and less coverage of the other series out there.

NASCAR has a formula for making money, and that's exacty what "what's-his-face" from WRC is trying to do.


Cabo

Samdiver74

BIG MONEY SPONSORS hotrod2448
What can be bigger than cigarettes and alcohol
WRC were sposored by cigartettes, so was F1
It also surprises me that there isn't a law about sponsors,
there is nothing like advertising Alcohol on a car, when there are alot of people out there who Drink and Drive, now where's the logic in that.

GPTourer

NASCAR had its moments too. What do you think "Winston" Cup was all about?
There are laws about cigarette and alcohol sponsors, but that stuff is seemingly getting more relaxed now. Why is it okay for Budweiser to be on a car, but not Crown Royal? The hard liquor adds are back on t.v. so it is only a matter of time (I think) before cigarette ads come back.

I guess the whole sponsor thing never bothered me because I'm not particularly swayed by such means. If there was a Twinkies car people might say its one of the whole reason American's are more obese then other countries. A Viagra car might offend some because it might promote fornication and adultery. An ID car with Doom3 on it would be said to promote violence in teens. Sounds farfetched and ridiculous, but it never seems to end when it comes to people finding ways to place blame for their problems on others. I could care less who or what sponsor wants to get involved, it just means more money and more participents in the sport.

hotrod2448

Well between Dupont and Lowes we get over 40 million a year to run two cars not counting associate sponsors. Grant it it's not the 400 million that ferrari spends but, our cars don't cost any where near what their cars cost nor, does our R&D program. So, it is pretty big money for what you are spending to run in comparison. I don't know what WRC teams get for money.

Like GP tourer said, pretty much every major beer company in the US has a cup car, not to mention the chewing tobacco cars and the fact it used to be "Winston" cup.

I also never said that I like what Nascar is doing I just said they are making money and thats what the other series need to do to survive.