That is what I was trying to say. Either the term "DSM" is obsolete, because it refers to the marriage of the Mitsu three diamonds and the Chrysler Pentastar logos - or we welcome all performance Mitsus into the fold. The DSM scene will continue to shrink as the cars get older and older and less of them are on the road.

 

I disagree. We also play with the Mazda 323 GTX here. They imported all of 1600 of them into North America for one year only. At some point, all of them become owned by hard core enthusiasts. The same thing has been happening with the 1Gs and is beginning to happen with the 2Gs. Who ever bought them because it was cute or a good winter car, sells them and they get bought by an enthusiast. For every car that goes off the road because of old age or an accident, 3 get bought by a hard core racer. The "DSM Scene" will only continue to grow even as total numbers of DSM registrations decline. Then add in the EVOs and there is nothing but blue sky.

Yes the "DSM" name was outdated back in '96 when the partnership was disolved. But the name will stick around and continue to confuse the kiddies that think the 3 diamond Mitsu emblem is the Diamond Star and not the combination of the Chrysler star and the Mitsu diamonds. All the kiddies see 3 diamonds in a star pattern on their Mirage and think that they have a Diamond Star car. They dont.

Mike W

 

how did the evo become a dsm when you just said it isn't? just because it is a mirage it is not a dsm while an evo which is also not a dsm be a dsm because it has prestige, status and will totally blow the import scene? what i am saying is do not discriminate the rest of the mitsu family and select the evo(blue sky!) because of its halo effect on the dsm group. the evo is never a dsm and will never be one.

 

Well said!!! I didn't buy "another DSM" because it looked good or was the coolest car around, I bought it because I was an enthusiast.

 

WRONG

Wrong again!! It is EXTREMLEY obvious that you do NOT understand what DSM is and is meant to be by what most DSMers think.

Just because you drive a Mitsubishi product does NOT mean you drive a DSM!

What is so hard to understand about that... you have a Lancer, Galant, 3G Eclipse, etc etc... you are not a DSM. PERIOD.

The EVO is what should have replaced the 2G Eclipse for the MY 00 instead of the 3G POS that Mitsu gave us!

To the real DSMers, the EVO is the natural extension/progression/EVOLUTION of the US DSM which really only are the T/E/L turbos.. so Mitsu is 3 years late, they've been making mistakes for years and at least it is late than never.

 

embrace the evo all you want it is not a dsm, never was, you are just fooling yourself!

 

I think there is some definite confusion on what this topic is all about.
Mike W gets what I am saying that the platform is so similar there is a lot for everyone to talk about in common.

No matter what, I sure can't wait to see what goodies Mike W and the rest of the RRE crew will have in store for the EVO.

 

You don't understand what DSM is... PERIOD.

It seems that I read on here latley that everyone and their grandma with a Mitsubishi symbol on their car now wants to be able to call themselves a DSMer or that they own a DSM!

That is really irritating! The Non-turbo 2g Eclipse guys seems to finally understand it well after everyone had to keep reminding them that their 420A motor was a NEON motor. Yet their car "looked" just like the DSM cars, but it was not and far from it!

My point is that it sounds like a lot of people are "posers" and want to be able to label themselves something they are not!

An EVO is not a DSM, but the natuarl extension of the DSM AND many many many DSMers, TRUE DSMers, will probably end up buying an EVO to add to their car collection.

 

Exactly!!! I don't think you could stop DSMers and EVOs from hanging out... they will have so much to talk about and many of them will own both!!

 

i understand what you mean by dsm, what i was trying to point out was why not include the rest of the mitsu, evo or no evo. i know recalcitrant dsmers will not accept this but taht was just a comment. oops, i still have open heart surgery tomorrow, gotta take care of the patient.

 

Okay, okay, so there are a group of people out there who still enjoy very old cars. I'm sure there's a group of Celica All Trac Turbo lovers, Sprinter/Trueno people, and maybe one day people
will start doing SR20DET swaps into Pulsars and NX2000's and that will be the new trend. Hell I saw two Isuzu I-Mark Turbos in the same day a few weeks ago.

I should have stated my point better. You don't see 323GTX's and AllTrac Turbos on the covers of magazines anymore. Yeah, you can argue about how great it is to have a sleeper and car that not "everybody has" but I think there is something to be said for media attention. It helps to get big market companies to participate, to spend cash devoloping new products. You'll see the cars winning races, rallies, and so on. True hardcore DSMers will be around for many years to come, but I don't think it would hurt to add a new platform. (Mainly because I want to see a Mitsubishi on every cover so I get more customers, I'm tired of seeing Supras and WRX's)

Exactly. So the same goes for the EVO people too. How can you discriminate against one, but not the other? I would just suggest that since Mitsu is bringing such a powerful force to market (and let us not forget about the 4G69 in the Ralliart) that we start structuring meets for all performance Mitsus. That the DSM term is obsolete.

Yeah but, if you were to go on a DSM board and start "informing" the 2G N/T guys of this, you would get into a huge flame war and probably kicked off. N/T bashing is strictly prohibited. 420A T/E drivers are considered DSM. So are 1/G 4G63 N/T people. Go here or here to see. True, it isn't always peacful. Every once in a while a noob RS drvier will slap on a Hahn turbo kit and say "Nyah, nyah, I can't get crankwalk and I'm just as fast as you" And will stir up some ****, but they are then asked for timeslips and proof and things calm down again.

I've got to step out of my enthusiast role and into my sales role for a minute. I must stand up for the 3G because I have made good money selling them. Mitsu has sold way more 3G's then they ever sold 2G's or 1G's. It is a very good car for its purpose. No, it isn't the best performance platform money can buy, but give it some time. Although they may never reach the levels the 4G63T cars have set, they've only had four model years and some of them are relatively quick. Were there any 9 or 10 second DSM's in '93 or '94? On the other hand, I love my GS-T and would never trade it for one, and no I do not think they are DSM's in the tradtional sense, even though they come from the same plant and even though when I order them, the point of entry code on my computer says "DSM." (Just a little factoid to make you hardcore guys shiver.) No need to bash anyone else's ride.

Thank you. That is it in a nutshell. Just like the GVR-4, before it. We have come full circle.

 

Hailz!

So where will my J-Spec Evo VIII fit in?

After reading this complete thread today, because I did not even know what DSM stood for while reading all the other threads...
(I had to do a search for "DSM definition")...

I have come to the conclusion that EVEN IF I WAS INVITED, I would not join, nor wanna be associated with those arrogant DSM die-hards.

They can whither away and die from isolationism for all I care. Into the winds of yester-year.... BuH - Bye!

 

Exactly, the US government doesn't control this apsect of our lives and if I want to discriminate in this instance, I will!

Read the next quote to see why this "discrimination" makes perfect sense... and no it wasn't a revelation and I don't take back what I said about the 420A-Neon motored Eclipse non-DSM cars!

How many Mitsubishis were made that were NOT GVR-4s... well, the DSM crowd DID discriminated against all of those cars, which made perfect sense... following that same lead, it makes perfect sense that the DSM crowd will accept and want to be around the next DSM evolution ... the US spec EVO, and not really care about hanging around any of the other cars that just happen to have a symbol on their car.

 

Exactly, what a country we have here. Tons of choices.

Outdated elitist arrogant "DSM/EVO" chit-chat:

Knock sum
Whopping on Porsches and 'Vettes
Coil charge times
Turbine housing A/R ratio vs.spool
Trail braking... when, why
Where is a close affordable AWD Dyno?
Modifying an AFC to reference MAP instead of TPS for load
How to trouble shoot a boost leak
Intercooler efficiency, top to bottom vs. side to side?
Who is going to the open tracking event at Willow Springs this weekend?

All inclusive Can't-We-All-Just-Get-Along Mitsubishi chit-chat:

What is the lowest drop on my Lancer?
Where did you get power for your under-car neons
What body kit is the dopest? Mothra Battle *** stage eleventeen or the Hoopty Autosport Fish Face Deluxe?
What paint did you use to paint your dash?
Is a CAI really worth the extra cash?
Will a CAI void my warranty?
Will my friend's S2000 spank me?
Who wants to roll together to the Hot Import Hoochie Momma Night show this weekend?

We can have a general Mitsubishi club, forum, meet... everything. But the racers generally wont hang with you much since they wont find relevance with the conversation. Guys that value 400 hp AWD stock appearing cars will never have a lot in common with guys that value stock powered 400 hp appearing cars. It is just a different mind set.

Mike W

 

But I thought all Mitsubishis were DSMs???

Exactly!