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Jan 17, 2005, 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisF
As primarily an STi owner, I hate to admit it but I agree with a lot of you. How could anyone really take this comparison seriously when there is a complete lack of basis for comparison. After those mods it's like comparing apples and gorillas. Nice attempt at a point on his part, but I think he executed it poorly.
Jan 17, 2005, 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Vishnu_Evo8
most subie guys admit that the evo is a better car out of teh box. all the guys i see at teh track admit to teh understeer. but they also usually say that the two cars are so close that in teh end it is up to the driver. and i believe this to a certain extent. but this guy is clearly pissed that his more expensive car is hated on by all the mags and people in the know. (ie tuners and magazines) i think he cries everytime he reads mags about how teh evo trounces the sti with less power. In the end its one guy against a world of opposition so WHO TEH HELL CARES WHAT THIS GUY SAYS. and how hard core can a guy be if he just gets lowerings springs anyways?
side not.. why buy an enzo when u could buy an sti and some $200 springs and a $200 sway bar? and run faster times. plus u get to enjoy a soft comfy ride in seats that would offend a toyota camry driver.
side not.. why buy an enzo when u could buy an sti and some $200 springs and a $200 sway bar? and run faster times. plus u get to enjoy a soft comfy ride in seats that would offend a toyota camry driver.
Don't categorize an entire forum for what one guy says. Everyone is kicking him in the nut right now.
BTW, this thread is worthless and stupid, and is just as much a gross misrepresentation as the guys thread at NASIOC.
Jan 18, 2005, 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by plokivos
why is it so hard for people to understand that evo just got that soul of a sports car that sti doesn't have.
its rawness and preciseness that lacks in sti is what boils enthusiasts blood, just like hearing a Ferrari go by at 7000 RPM.
If 90% of the magazine are voting evo, they can't be all wrong, can they?
Even playboy magazine voted Evo for its sex appeal.
Evo = Hot steamy young sex
STI = Mid age married sex.
its rawness and preciseness that lacks in sti is what boils enthusiasts blood, just like hearing a Ferrari go by at 7000 RPM.
If 90% of the magazine are voting evo, they can't be all wrong, can they?
Even playboy magazine voted Evo for its sex appeal.
Evo = Hot steamy young sex
STI = Mid age married sex.
Jan 18, 2005, 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by EidolaDream
what do you mean pick the scoobie the top gears I watch they lean for the evo for performance unless the skyline jumps in lol I see your point about opinions I just wanted to point out that its not just in the states that everyone loves the evo and it seems to get better marks.
Jan 18, 2005, 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Vishnu_Evo8
i love to hear **** like this.. its awesome. he is the racing guru... he knows it all its a big conspiracy.. mitsu with their billions of surplus dollars is bribing EVERY publication in the world. The secret is finally out. Subarus dont understeer.. it was just a myth turned into an urban ledgend. were all fools for buying evos. forget the fact that tuners prefer the evo, they were bought out too. forget the fact that sti motors blow after 400+whp. forget the mushy steering and suspension, forget teh ghastly unsupportive seats and the glued on wing and the 225s. THE STAI IS JUST A BETTER CAR. EVERYONE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THIS. ITS MORE EXPENSIVE, HAS MORE BASE HP, HAS A 6SPD and a SOFT COMFY RIDE AND A BEAUTIFUL INTERIOR. plus some guy on the internet is telling us it is better.
Jan 18, 2005, 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Vishnu_Evo8
i love to hear **** like this.. its awesome. he is the racing guru... he knows it all its a big conspiracy.. mitsu with their billions of surplus dollars is bribing EVERY publication in the world. The secret is finally out. Subarus dont understeer.. it was just a myth turned into an urban ledgend. were all fools for buying evos. forget the fact that tuners prefer the evo, they were bought out too. forget the fact that sti motors blow after 400+whp. forget the mushy steering and suspension, forget teh ghastly unsupportive seats and the glued on wing and the 225s. THE STAI IS JUST A BETTER CAR. EVERYONE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THIS. ITS MORE EXPENSIVE, HAS MORE BASE HP, HAS A 6SPD and a SOFT COMFY RIDE AND A BEAUTIFUL INTERIOR. plus some guy on the internet is telling us it is better.
Its funny how my friend's STi with all mods still cant keep up with my EVO no matter what.... WELL you got to baby that boxer engine
Jan 18, 2005, 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Borti
Don't categorize an entire forum for what one guy says. Everyone is kicking him in the nut right now.
BTW, this thread is worthless and stupid, and is just as much a gross misrepresentation as the guys thread at NASIOC.
BTW, this thread is worthless and stupid, and is just as much a gross misrepresentation as the guys thread at NASIOC.
There are plenty of n00bs posting in that thread. Same thing is happening here. I don't think it accurately represents either forum. The Evo v STi threads tend to bring lots of n00bs out of the woodwork who can't just admit that both cars are good cars.
Anyhoo, driver is the most important variable when doing a comparison like this and the guy didn't keep it constant. It's useless.
BTW, how many of you guys who are talking about how "raw" and "soul of a sports car" the Evo is actually autocross or track your Evos, anyway? My guess is that it's a pretty small percentage. If you're not, what the heck did you buy it for? So that you could tell all your friends the lap times are lower in magazines?
I would be happy owning either car. For me tho, I have a mod friendly Subaru dealership 2 miles away, so I suspect that would be the tiebreaker. Until then I'm "making do" with my lightly modified WRX
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Jan 18, 2005, 06:36 AM
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Sigh, just to give you guys some perspective here's a good article to read.
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=1
You guys need to loose this superiority complex. Out of the box the cars are so damn close that NONE of you will ever be able to walk an STi unless the guy driving it is clueless. Simply put, it takes a pro to make the Evo out drive the STi, and you guys aren't it
And lets not get into the mod issue, as there are too many different ways to modify these cars.
Besides, the Srt4 is fAstAr haha.
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=1
You guys need to loose this superiority complex. Out of the box the cars are so damn close that NONE of you will ever be able to walk an STi unless the guy driving it is clueless. Simply put, it takes a pro to make the Evo out drive the STi, and you guys aren't it
And lets not get into the mod issue, as there are too many different ways to modify these cars.
Besides, the Srt4 is fAstAr haha.
Jan 18, 2005, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by s2kguy
Sigh, just to give you guys some perspective here's a good article to read.
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=1
You guys need to loose this superiority complex. Out of the box the cars are so damn close that NONE of you will ever be able to walk an STi unless the guy driving it is clueless. Simply put, it takes a pro to make the Evo out drive the STi, and you guys aren't it
And lets not get into the mod issue, as there are too many different ways to modify these cars.
Besides, the Srt4 is fAstAr haha.
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=1
You guys need to loose this superiority complex. Out of the box the cars are so damn close that NONE of you will ever be able to walk an STi unless the guy driving it is clueless. Simply put, it takes a pro to make the Evo out drive the STi, and you guys aren't it
And lets not get into the mod issue, as there are too many different ways to modify these cars.
Besides, the Srt4 is fAstAr haha.
Jan 18, 2005, 08:02 AM
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Stock out of the box, the EVO handles better. So even though it has a little less hp than the STi, it can best the Subie on a racetrack. Do some serious work to the STi's suspension, and you got a great track car. I have seen some really fast STi's at the racetrack. There was a guy at Buttonwillow last weekend who was a great driver, and his STi was beating just about everything.
That being said, I like the EVO better, that's why I bought one. Set up like mine, it can beat that STi. I was staying with a Z06 in the straights. It's about driving skills. The STi and Z06 drivers were just more experienced and quicker in the corners.
They are both great cars. EVO wins by a nose, like Road & Track, Car & Driver and Sport Compact Car say. But it is pretty close, don't fool yourself.
That being said, I like the EVO better, that's why I bought one. Set up like mine, it can beat that STi. I was staying with a Z06 in the straights. It's about driving skills. The STi and Z06 drivers were just more experienced and quicker in the corners.
They are both great cars. EVO wins by a nose, like Road & Track, Car & Driver and Sport Compact Car say. But it is pretty close, don't fool yourself.
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