3rd place for Evo in 1st WRC Rally Event
Jan 23, 2005, 09:43 PM
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3rd place for Evo in 1st WRC Rally Event
I just finshed watching the speed channel, in the 1st WRC event the Evo took 3rd place!!! It was really great to watch!! Did anyone else catch it?
Jan 24, 2005, 01:51 AM
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Panizzi is a tarmac god (won san remo 3 years in a row and came in 2nd the 4th year while with Peugeot) but lags on gravel. We'll see how he does in Sweden.
Jan 24, 2005, 02:58 AM
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Panizzi lacks on Gravel
Yeah I agree he lacks in Gravel but I am sure Harri Rovanpera will pick up the slack, after all that is why most teams have drivers who can drive different race styles for different surfaces, atleast they stand a better chance of getting something for manufacturers points
Yes I saw the Monte Carlo Rally, very good result, looks like they have their seqential gearbox back.
I can't believe Speed tv put it on so late, I have sent an e-mail to these guys but no reply, I guess they didn't like what I said about NASCAR.
I think they should air it a little bit earlier than last year so that kids have a chance to watch it, we have to educate the next generation, instead of brainwashing them with NASCAR, I certainly don't care to watch cars driving around an oval track
Yes I saw the Monte Carlo Rally, very good result, looks like they have their seqential gearbox back.
I can't believe Speed tv put it on so late, I have sent an e-mail to these guys but no reply, I guess they didn't like what I said about NASCAR.
I think they should air it a little bit earlier than last year so that kids have a chance to watch it, we have to educate the next generation, instead of brainwashing them with NASCAR, I certainly don't care to watch cars driving around an oval track
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Jan 24, 2005, 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by wrcevo
Erm...just to clear the air a little over here, it's not an Evo..it's a Lancer..but who cares..Mitsubishi's Back! =)
This is a new car to the one the raced last year. It could still be based on a Lancer but I thought one of the reasons people said it was a lancer was the 4 stud hub and this new car has 5 stud as is visible in this picture http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/mot...photo/l2_1.jpg and http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/mot...photo/pre3.jpg ? Of course there were other differences too, I just can't remember them to check them on the new car.
Anyway, good result. I hope they can keep it going though. Also Panizi is only doing some rounds, mostly the Tarmac rallies, so he can't really place anywhere in the championship
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Well, whoever mentioned the number of hub bolts is just making stuff up. Rally cars often have different hubs depending on whether they're in tarmac, snow, or gravel spec. It's a full works series, so the manufacturers have a lot of $ to get the cars set up for the various races. The reason it's a lancer is more or less arbitrary, the WRC homologation rules are extremely lax in terms of relationship to a production car, and also fairly new. Up until around 10 years ago, Group A cars raced in the World Rally Championship. These were the "glory days" of rally cars as the Lancer, Subaru Impreza, ST185 and ST205 celica GT4, and Ford Escort Cosworth were all available as production cars with 2.0L turbos and 4wd, due to the homologation requirement that a certain number of production vehicles would have to be sold with the same powertrain. However, as the global market and worldwide recession hit in the early 90's, car manufacturers found that they couldn't sell their homologation specials to the general public, as no one who wanted the cars could actually afford them. So the FIA introduced the WRC class, which released manufacturers from the requirement of a production car with the same drivetrain configuration. This set the stage for Peugeot to reenter and Ford to drop production of the Escort Cosworth, while continuing work on the WRC Focus which would have no production variant.
The WRC class saved the WRC, but the result was that companies like subaru and mitsubishi, who had great experience and success developing production cars that could be effectively converted to Group A race cars, lost their advantage from the production experience. Subaru adopted the WRC class with the Impreza coupe, which resembled the special edition 22B but was basically a ground up race car. Mitsubishi, however, had great success with the Evo IV-VI and remained competitive and dominant during the first years of the new WRC class, even though Mitsubishi continued racing a production based Group A car. With the Evo VII WRC, they technically adopted WRC rules, but the car was still MUCH closer to the production vehicle than any of its contemporaries. As a result, it was not competitive against the all conquering Peugeot 206 WRC. The current Lancer WRC is the result of a complete embrace of the WRC class and all the advantages it provides. It has virtually nothing in common with the Evo except for its highly modified 4G63. Suspension hardpoints, engine position, and transmission are all signficantly different. In fact, the majority of regulations regarding homologation in the WRC class involve body shape. The car does have to conform to certain parameters set by a production car. This is why the 2003-2004 Focus WRC is technically based on the US focus, because the longer bumpers on our car allowed them to use the aero package that they wanted. I assume the car named Lancer WRC so that if Mitsubishi's financial situation forced them to discontinue the evo, the option of continued competition would still be there, since the base Lancer would remain in production. But in general, it's best to think of the car as a custom built race car which is neither a Lancer nor an Evo though conceptually of course it is much closer to the Evo than the Lancer. Before people get too sad, it's important to remember that in all the production based classes, the Evo still dominates and that speaks a lot more to the capabilities and engineering of our cars than the WRC class.
The WRC class saved the WRC, but the result was that companies like subaru and mitsubishi, who had great experience and success developing production cars that could be effectively converted to Group A race cars, lost their advantage from the production experience. Subaru adopted the WRC class with the Impreza coupe, which resembled the special edition 22B but was basically a ground up race car. Mitsubishi, however, had great success with the Evo IV-VI and remained competitive and dominant during the first years of the new WRC class, even though Mitsubishi continued racing a production based Group A car. With the Evo VII WRC, they technically adopted WRC rules, but the car was still MUCH closer to the production vehicle than any of its contemporaries. As a result, it was not competitive against the all conquering Peugeot 206 WRC. The current Lancer WRC is the result of a complete embrace of the WRC class and all the advantages it provides. It has virtually nothing in common with the Evo except for its highly modified 4G63. Suspension hardpoints, engine position, and transmission are all signficantly different. In fact, the majority of regulations regarding homologation in the WRC class involve body shape. The car does have to conform to certain parameters set by a production car. This is why the 2003-2004 Focus WRC is technically based on the US focus, because the longer bumpers on our car allowed them to use the aero package that they wanted. I assume the car named Lancer WRC so that if Mitsubishi's financial situation forced them to discontinue the evo, the option of continued competition would still be there, since the base Lancer would remain in production. But in general, it's best to think of the car as a custom built race car which is neither a Lancer nor an Evo though conceptually of course it is much closer to the Evo than the Lancer. Before people get too sad, it's important to remember that in all the production based classes, the Evo still dominates and that speaks a lot more to the capabilities and engineering of our cars than the WRC class.
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Originally Posted by nsnguyen
Well, whoever mentioned the number of hub bolts is just making stuff up. Rally cars often have different hubs depending on whether they're in tarmac, snow, or gravel spec. It's a full works series, so the manufacturers have a lot of $ to get the cars set up for the various races. The reason it's a lancer is more or less arbitrary, the WRC homologation rules are extremely lax in terms of relationship to a production car, and also fairly new. Up until around 10 years ago, Group A cars raced in the World Rally Championship. These were the "glory days" of rally cars as the Lancer, Subaru Impreza, ST185 and ST205 celica GT4, and Ford Escort Cosworth were all available as production cars with 2.0L turbos and 4wd, due to the homologation requirement that a certain number of production vehicles would have to be sold with the same powertrain. However, as the global market and worldwide recession hit in the early 90's, car manufacturers found that they couldn't sell their homologation specials to the general public, as no one who wanted the cars could actually afford them. So the FIA introduced the WRC class, which released manufacturers from the requirement of a production car with the same drivetrain configuration. This set the stage for Peugeot to reenter and Ford to drop production of the Escort Cosworth, while continuing work on the WRC Focus which would have no production variant.
The WRC class saved the WRC, but the result was that companies like subaru and mitsubishi, who had great experience and success developing production cars that could be effectively converted to Group A race cars, lost their advantage from the production experience. Subaru adopted the WRC class with the Impreza coupe, which resembled the special edition 22B but was basically a ground up race car. Mitsubishi, however, had great success with the Evo IV-VI and remained competitive and dominant during the first years of the new WRC class, even though Mitsubishi continued racing a production based Group A car. With the Evo VII WRC, they technically adopted WRC rules, but the car was still MUCH closer to the production vehicle than any of its contemporaries. As a result, it was not competitive against the all conquering Peugeot 206 WRC. The current Lancer WRC is the result of a complete embrace of the WRC class and all the advantages it provides. It has virtually nothing in common with the Evo except for its highly modified 4G63. Suspension hardpoints, engine position, and transmission are all signficantly different. In fact, the majority of regulations regarding homologation in the WRC class involve body shape. The car does have to conform to certain parameters set by a production car. This is why the 2003-2004 Focus WRC is technically based on the US focus, because the longer bumpers on our car allowed them to use the aero package that they wanted. I assume the car named Lancer WRC so that if Mitsubishi's financial situation forced them to discontinue the evo, the option of continued competition would still be there, since the base Lancer would remain in production. But in general, it's best to think of the car as a custom built race car which is neither a Lancer nor an Evo though conceptually of course it is much closer to the Evo than the Lancer. Before people get too sad, it's important to remember that in all the production based classes, the Evo still dominates and that speaks a lot more to the capabilities and engineering of our cars than the WRC class.
The WRC class saved the WRC, but the result was that companies like subaru and mitsubishi, who had great experience and success developing production cars that could be effectively converted to Group A race cars, lost their advantage from the production experience. Subaru adopted the WRC class with the Impreza coupe, which resembled the special edition 22B but was basically a ground up race car. Mitsubishi, however, had great success with the Evo IV-VI and remained competitive and dominant during the first years of the new WRC class, even though Mitsubishi continued racing a production based Group A car. With the Evo VII WRC, they technically adopted WRC rules, but the car was still MUCH closer to the production vehicle than any of its contemporaries. As a result, it was not competitive against the all conquering Peugeot 206 WRC. The current Lancer WRC is the result of a complete embrace of the WRC class and all the advantages it provides. It has virtually nothing in common with the Evo except for its highly modified 4G63. Suspension hardpoints, engine position, and transmission are all signficantly different. In fact, the majority of regulations regarding homologation in the WRC class involve body shape. The car does have to conform to certain parameters set by a production car. This is why the 2003-2004 Focus WRC is technically based on the US focus, because the longer bumpers on our car allowed them to use the aero package that they wanted. I assume the car named Lancer WRC so that if Mitsubishi's financial situation forced them to discontinue the evo, the option of continued competition would still be there, since the base Lancer would remain in production. But in general, it's best to think of the car as a custom built race car which is neither a Lancer nor an Evo though conceptually of course it is much closer to the Evo than the Lancer. Before people get too sad, it's important to remember that in all the production based classes, the Evo still dominates and that speaks a lot more to the capabilities and engineering of our cars than the WRC class.
Thats really interesting....what about the all-wheel drive system? Is it similar to ours? I want to know about the motor thou, any idea on what kind of wheel HP they are producing?
Whether or not its exactly my car or not..i dont care....Im still routing for Mitsu!! Lol and not for nothing....its close enough
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I guess you have never seen all the computers and such in these WRC cars they had a special on it last year on one of the races. I hear that the cars make around 300 hp with about 51 psi boost? Not sure on the boost. Sorry.
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How exciting watching 3600lb cars drafting in an oval 
Weeks away from the opener 
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Not an Evo, its a lancer WRC05 ( some one caught it...). Also, the semi auto gear box had trouble in the 2nd stage, forcing Panizzi to use manual. 2 stages were cancelled b/c of accidents the best times of the day were giving to the remaining drivers. Markko Martin drives for puegeot and his safety crew was driving an evo8, this made me scratch my chin.
1st is/should be a given, Loeb. Puegeot 307
Also, good news for ALMS ( American Le Mans Series ) there have been some added teams... Maserati, Ferrari, and there was one more, but this season seems like it will have more competition.
Rules keep the cars at certain horsepower to keep the event as even as possible. the WRC04 and WRC05 wrc cars are basically the same. the WRC04 was a the car used for the test year. they drove it to see what need changing and what needed to be redesigned etc. they Cars are basically the same except for these changes.
1st is/should be a given, Loeb. Puegeot 307
Also, good news for ALMS ( American Le Mans Series ) there have been some added teams... Maserati, Ferrari, and there was one more, but this season seems like it will have more competition.
Rules keep the cars at certain horsepower to keep the event as even as possible. the WRC04 and WRC05 wrc cars are basically the same. the WRC04 was a the car used for the test year. they drove it to see what need changing and what needed to be redesigned etc. they Cars are basically the same except for these changes.
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