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Old Feb 1, 2005 | 11:56 AM
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read the article they said they did NOT have ac in the RS
Old Feb 1, 2005 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ldstang50
For .27seconds hmm. I'll take an RS and throw slicks on it and still be less expensive than the MR and beat it. Or maybe a suspension or maybe just that sway bar to botton down that rear end and I'll again be faster but cheaper.
To each is own though
What's to stop the MR owner from throwing slicks on too, then wouldn't the MR faster? you still have to spend money on an suspension don't ya? and if you want to do it right you have to get coilovers, at least $1500. Bottom line more money with careful tuning makes cars faster .... RS is a cheaper slower EVO, but still an EVO none the less with lost of untapped potential .... but also one that lets the owner decide on the staged upgrades ....

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Old Feb 1, 2005 | 12:15 PM
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read the article they said they did NOT have ac in the RS
Quit benchracing and listen to others who know what they are talking about. Every RS has a/c...I swear some people are illiterate, hasn't this been discussed 1,000 times on here? So a few mags got it wrong...at this point only you and goober at the texaco think the RS comes sans a/c
Old Feb 1, 2005 | 12:30 PM
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Do you think the fact that the RS has the bracing just behind the trunk would attribute to the oversteer?
Old Feb 1, 2005 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DaWorstPlaya
...RS is a cheaper slower EVO...
You're joking, right? The RS was quicker in 0-30mph, 0-60mph and the 1/4 mile, but lost around the track because its high speed braking (100mph+) wasn't as crisp as the ABS/EBD equipped MR and GSR. It may be cheaper, but it was slower because of the format of the track. Think back to the FQ400 beating the Lambo on Top Gear. It was cool so see if you're an Evo fan, but it had as much to do with the track as it had to do with the performance of the Evo. Basically, that track was a good fit for the Evo. I think the same thing could be said for Willow Springs. ABS and EBD is a huge advantage.

Old Feb 1, 2005 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Steiner

Do any of the people in here who have track experience behind the wheel with both the RS and GSR/MR agree with the magazine's opinion of the RS having more oversteer? I refuse to believe the spoiler or Vortex thingy have that much of an impact...if any. If they do BMW would be slapping them on their M5 and M3. Those 2 cars are built to rule the autobahn where speeds like 120mph are nothing.

EDIT: Ooops...I meant oversteer, not understeer.
Check out what SCC had to say about the RS' oversteer:

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/fe...o02/index.html
Old Feb 1, 2005 | 12:52 PM
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Do you think the fact that the RS has the bracing just behind the trunk would attribute to the oversteer?
It plays a part sure...but I had a cusco bar in my Evo 8 that I put in my RS and I could still feel the back end lighten up. Bottomline, the wing works.
Old Feb 1, 2005 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Bogie
Check out what SCC had to say about the RS' oversteer:

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/fe...o02/index.html
Thanks. Here it is for others who might be interested...

On the racetrack, it does things most of the modified cars could only dream of. Around the 180-degree Turn Eight, the RS is a rallyist's wet dream. Pitch it in with a little flick in the opposite direction, then hold on as the front bites and pulls the car into easily controlled oversteer. Nearly every other car in the test understeers painfully around this corner. This unconventional technique actually proves to be nearly a full second quicker per lap, proving again how much understeer sucks.
Old Feb 1, 2005 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Terry S
The urban jungle package never materialized. It was axed before release and all USDM RS's have AC and no power windows.

However, this was a press fleet RS so it is very possible that this was just one of those pre-release RS's without the mythical "urban jungle" package.
Terry is correct. In 2004 when the RS was to be released, Mitsubishi had the press event and told all of the journalists how the RS was to be equipped(no A/C, Urban Jungle package, etc.), but in between the press event and when the car came out, all of it changed. All RS's come with A/C as standard, their is NO Urban Jungle package nor are their any options on an RS.

The 2005 RS we used in testing had A/C. Mitsubishi pulled it out of the first shipment of production vehicles for us to use in this test.
Old Feb 1, 2005 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by EVO Neil
The cars were all tested by the same person (Chris Walton) for all tests as are 95% of what we test. They were tested at Streets of Willow @ Willow Springs International Raceway in Rosamond, CA for the track testing protion of the comparison and Californaia Speedway in Fontana, CA for the instrumented portion of the testing and I can guarantee you that none of our California test team has done any ice racing recently, so it wasn't us you claim to have witnessed.
No I witnessed some of the guys from around Detroit I guess. Not saying that they are bad drivers just didn't see any Super Licence worthy efforts from the crew that came out. Not implying that I am M. Schumacher or anything either.

But anyway thanks for putting the cars on the track head to head. It will allow many to determine which of the VIII's to buy. Just keep it up when the IX and X show up. Maybe I might pick up an issue of MT at borders if you keep this up.

Does your article detail/show the course used at Streets?

Oh yeah and the RS comes just how I wanted it. With A/C minus a whole bunch. I wanted the 3 LSD's without the active center and no ABS. I was actually not even thinking about the Evo VIII until I heard a rumor from an owner of a standard VIII that the RS would come like it did in 2004. Two weeks and 4 dealerships later I was in my Kenmore White 2004 Lancer RS.

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Old Feb 1, 2005 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DaWorstPlaya
What's to stop the MR owner from throwing slicks on too, then wouldn't the MR faster? you still have to spend money on an suspension don't ya? and if you want to do it right you have to get coilovers, at least $1500. Bottom line more money with careful tuning makes cars faster .... RS is a cheaper slower EVO, but still an EVO none the less with lost of untapped potential .... but also one that lets the owner decide on the staged upgrades ....
nothing is to stop him, i'm simply stating that with teh $7000 saved by the RS guy he can have a car that handles better and is quicker than an MR. I personally liike the MR. But $1500 for coilovers and $2000 for wheels and slicks on the RS then add in the 'normal' mods of I/E, MBC and that RS will wipe the MR. I'm not trying to flame here.

Originally Posted by jasonc32amg
Quit benchracing and listen to others who know what they are talking about. Every RS has a/c...I swear some people are illiterate, hasn't this been discussed 1,000 times on here? So a few mags got it wrong...at this point only you and goober at the texaco think the RS comes sans a/c
You might want to read the article before you start blabbering about **** YOU dont' know. In the article they said the RS they had did NOT have ac. Upon further research and people telling me, I see the urban jungle package did not materialize. But in THIS particular article if YOU read it, you will see that this particular car did NOT have ac.
Old Feb 1, 2005 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by detroit evo
Does your article detail/show the course used at Streets?
Page 98 shows the track configuration for Streets of Willow, or just look at post #125 in this thread. It's much tighter than that picture shows.

Congrats on your RS purchase.

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Old Feb 1, 2005 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ldstang50
You might want to read the article before you start blabbering about **** YOU dont' know. In the article they said the RS they had did NOT have ac. Upon further research and people telling me, I see the urban jungle package did not materialize. But in THIS particular article if YOU read it, you will see that this particular car did NOT have ac.
Originally Posted by EVO Neil
The 2005 RS we used in testing had A/C. Mitsubishi pulled it out of the first shipment of production vehicles for us to use in this test.
Old Feb 1, 2005 | 04:55 PM
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LOL
I laugh but not to be an ***. I read that article this weekend and specifically remember them saying the RS had no ac. I wrongfully took that as the RS still had the jungle package option, which I was wrong on.
Old Feb 1, 2005 | 04:58 PM
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EVO Neil
Did you notice with any of the cars the rear inside wheel coming up in the turns? If so, which car did this the most?
I have an EVO with teh cusco rear triangle brace. Its stiffer, but it feels like the inside rear likes to lift more now and I have more understeer


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