to those with ATP kits
Feb 25, 2005 | 11:38 AM
#61
Originally Posted by Az3ar
Enough BS is enough.... ATP 3037 made 430WHP using AFC and dynoflash you just can imagine how much more it will make using Xede or AEM https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ight=3037+Dyno
I am looking for the dyno sheet and I will post it soon. ATP 3071 made 390WHP on stock EVO with straight cat (dyno on the forums) I have to look for it...
Show me a stock turbo making 390WHP with no cams and no IC and 0 supporting mods??
AMS. so its taking food from your mouth but not taking food from ATP mouth??? What miss information you see here?? now you want to convince me that the stock turbo when boosting 26~27 psi is not out of its efficiency rang and it will live for ever??
What you are saying is way off and please stop posting wrong and miss info to support your product which is already good but you are just making yourself look bad. Every ATP thread on this forum has an AMS response in it (search) AMS simply dislike ATP for there power and there great turbo upgrade period. You are just loosing one more customer. Do you see ATP posting here??? No because they are busy making sale and they basically don’t care as they are already selling a great cheap kit.
I am looking for the dyno sheet and I will post it soon. ATP 3071 made 390WHP on stock EVO with straight cat (dyno on the forums) I have to look for it...
Show me a stock turbo making 390WHP with no cams and no IC and 0 supporting mods??
AMS. so its taking food from your mouth but not taking food from ATP mouth??? What miss information you see here?? now you want to convince me that the stock turbo when boosting 26~27 psi is not out of its efficiency rang and it will live for ever??
What you are saying is way off and please stop posting wrong and miss info to support your product which is already good but you are just making yourself look bad. Every ATP thread on this forum has an AMS response in it (search) AMS simply dislike ATP for there power and there great turbo upgrade period. You are just loosing one more customer. Do you see ATP posting here??? No because they are busy making sale and they basically don’t care as they are already selling a great cheap kit.
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Feb 25, 2005 | 01:03 PM
#69
I don't want add any fuel to the fire, all I will say is to the guy that started this thread, take everything you read here with a grain of salt. Do a search and read up some more about all of this. I just think that some threads, this being one of them, has more posts about opinions than facts, and more posts based on emotions than logic. I have no problems with anyone, I am just amazed at some of the things people post sometimes...
Feb 25, 2005 | 01:07 PM
#70
Originally Posted by en1gma19
I don't want add any fuel to the fire, all I will say is to the guy that started this thread, take everything you read here with a grain of salt. Do a search and read up some more about all of this. I just think that some threads, this being one of them, has more posts about opinions than facts, and more posts based on emotions that logic.
exactly, I agree. I have posted dyno sheets with logic and hard facts the ball in your court.
again and again I will say that AMS will always and should make the extra 15~20WHP over ATP, no one has argued this point.
I will still take the full race turbo kit though
Feb 25, 2005 | 05:49 PM
#71
Easy fella, now you are putting a constraint on our product. Unless you have data to back up the claim that our kit will only make 15-20whp more than ATP refrain from posting. There are a handfull of cars making over 600whp and some over 650whp with our kit. Please show me some dyno sheets (SAE correction factor, smoothing at 3) of their kit making these #'s. I really hope their kit makes good power. I have nothing against them, nor do I want to put them down.
ALL WE SAID:
YOU DON'T NEED TO UPGRADE YOUR STOCK TURBO, IF FOR THE ONLY REASON YOU ARE DOING IT IS BECAUSE YOU DON'T THINK IT WILL BE RELIABLE AT HIGH BOOST!!!!
I've never typed in caps, nor do I want to again. Just to make a point...
I wouldn't recommend our turbo kit somebody just because they want to make 400whp and are afraid of their stock turbo not being reliable.
This is the last thing I'll say and I out of this thread for good.
-Martin
ALL WE SAID:
YOU DON'T NEED TO UPGRADE YOUR STOCK TURBO, IF FOR THE ONLY REASON YOU ARE DOING IT IS BECAUSE YOU DON'T THINK IT WILL BE RELIABLE AT HIGH BOOST!!!!
I've never typed in caps, nor do I want to again. Just to make a point...
I wouldn't recommend our turbo kit somebody just because they want to make 400whp and are afraid of their stock turbo not being reliable.
This is the last thing I'll say and I out of this thread for good.
-Martin
Feb 25, 2005 | 06:34 PM
#72
Here is Az3ar's ATP 3071graph on pump gas with no cams. Below is AMS's 35R on pump gas and maybe they can chime in about the mods at this point. I am sure they have more supporting mods than Az3ar's car but it is a much larger turbo and is spooling as well as the much smaller ATP 3071.
Feb 25, 2005 | 06:46 PM
#73
Originally Posted by AMS
Easy fella, now you are putting a constraint on our product. Unless you have data to back up the claim that our kit will only make 15-20whp more than ATP refrain from posting. There are a handfull of cars making over 600whp and some over 650whp with our kit. Please show me some dyno sheets (SAE correction factor, smoothing at 3) of their kit making these #'s. I really hope their kit makes good power. I have nothing against them, nor do I want to put them down.
ALL WE SAID:
YOU DON'T NEED TO UPGRADE YOUR STOCK TURBO, IF FOR THE ONLY REASON YOU ARE DOING IT IS BECAUSE YOU DON'T THINK IT WILL BE RELIABLE AT HIGH BOOST!!!!
I've never typed in caps, nor do I want to again. Just to make a point...
I wouldn't recommend our turbo kit somebody just because they want to make 400whp and are afraid of their stock turbo not being reliable.
This is the last thing I'll say and I out of this thread for good.
-Martin
ALL WE SAID:
YOU DON'T NEED TO UPGRADE YOUR STOCK TURBO, IF FOR THE ONLY REASON YOU ARE DOING IT IS BECAUSE YOU DON'T THINK IT WILL BE RELIABLE AT HIGH BOOST!!!!
I've never typed in caps, nor do I want to again. Just to make a point...
I wouldn't recommend our turbo kit somebody just because they want to make 400whp and are afraid of their stock turbo not being reliable.
This is the last thing I'll say and I out of this thread for good.
-Martin
I always have had allot of respect for you! You are a great guy. But common man you really have to see a graph showing a ATP kit with that power? My last dyno i put down 684whp at 35psi. Im going to be going back down next month with the new cams, new manifold, and a full 3.5" internal diamiter exhaust with a new exhaust housing to break the 700whp mark. I would be more then happy to get my last graph from them with a full ATP kit along with my new graph with some mods to the ATP kit to show you it can be done. Hmm maybe i should install the Juice i got in the garage???.....Nah dont want to make things look to bad!
Much respect!
Chris
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