does anyone know why they didnt announce the Evo 8 publicly?
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Originally posted by suave3747
Mitsu is bringing along Ralliart. That was the surprise.
Mitsu is bringing along Ralliart. That was the surprise.
Originally posted by suave3747
They will also get all the sales of hardcore racers that want a tunable platform with no devices to take the control of the car out of their hands.
They will also get all the sales of hardcore racers that want a tunable platform with no devices to take the control of the car out of their hands.
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Originally posted by suave3747
Honestly, it's a good idea. If you're waiting for Mitsubishi to announce a 340 HP Mitsubishi Evo with ACD, AYC, a front LSD and a 6 speed all for 32k, don't hold your breath.
Honestly, it's a good idea. If you're waiting for Mitsubishi to announce a 340 HP Mitsubishi Evo with ACD, AYC, a front LSD and a 6 speed all for 32k, don't hold your breath.
Originally posted by suave3747
They offered their car and they are offering you the parts to make it compete with the STi.
They offered their car and they are offering you the parts to make it compete with the STi.
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I hardly think they deserve any kind of punishment for that.
I hardly think they deserve any kind of punishment for that.
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So what? Why do you think that presence of the RallyArt is going to change things so much? There are already bunch of 4G63 tuners around, and I see no reason for one more to make such a big deal as you where trying to make it!
Are they going to take out the ABS system as well, so the hard core racers will have an ultimate feel of their brakes? Maybe power steering? We are not in 80s or 90s any more and those devices are not that bad any more. Get used to it!
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But, 280HP without AYC, should be in that price range. Or is that a stretch as well?
Did you ever think of the fact that for some types of racing you can not use those parts since they are not legal. So basically, with those extras you will be moved to the toughest class that exist and you call that right! So, to be competitive in those classes that you are now just pushed to, you have to do some more extensive changes that are not quite the first thing you do on a brand new car. But, in order to stay competitive with all of the other guys, you would have to. So, what are you going to do?
The sharpness at the end of my post was more directed towards gtr, as he has been doing nothing but slamming the Evo since the release of STi specs, and I don't see the point in trolling the forums of a car you no longer care to buy. If someone decides they want the STi, what is the point of staying here and saying the same things every day when you could go to the STi forums where your thoughts would be appreciated.
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Originally posted by suave3747
Them bringing Ralliart means that we would be offered aftermarket parts at a reasonable price, which would almost certainly allow tuners that use Ralliart parts to keep their warranty.
Them bringing Ralliart means that we would be offered aftermarket parts at a reasonable price, which would almost certainly allow tuners that use Ralliart parts to keep their warranty.
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Originally posted by suave3747
To maintain safety and cheaper insurance, due to the fact that it is a production car, they leave basic systems off. AYC and ACD are hardly advanced systems. However, Claudius is a very knowledgable racer, and he prefers the car without the active differentials.
To maintain safety and cheaper insurance, due to the fact that it is a production car, they leave basic systems off. AYC and ACD are hardly advanced systems. However, Claudius is a very knowledgable racer, and he prefers the car without the active differentials.
About the Claudius (which I have a great respect for, even tough he doesn't like to reply on email or a PM sometimes
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Originally posted by suave3747
32k would be about fair for 280 hp with ACD, but that system was only available in 1 version of the Evolution, and it may not be sorted out enough for them to deem it worthy of the American car market.
32k would be about fair for 280 hp with ACD, but that system was only available in 1 version of the Evolution, and it may not be sorted out enough for them to deem it worthy of the American car market.
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Originally posted by suave3747
In Autox, I've heard that simple mods like exhaust and intake are legal. You don't need to totally revamp the car. I've heard that just exhaust and intake can push the car to well over 280hp.
In Autox, I've heard that simple mods like exhaust and intake are legal. You don't need to totally revamp the car. I've heard that just exhaust and intake can push the car to well over 280hp.
Originally posted by suave3747
The sharpness at the end of my post was more directed towards gtr, as he has been doing nothing but slamming the Evo since the release of STi specs, and I don't see the point in trolling the forums of a car you no longer care to buy. If someone decides they want the STi, what is the point of staying here and saying the same things every day when you could go to the STi forums where your thoughts would be appreciated.
The sharpness at the end of my post was more directed towards gtr, as he has been doing nothing but slamming the Evo since the release of STi specs, and I don't see the point in trolling the forums of a car you no longer care to buy. If someone decides they want the STi, what is the point of staying here and saying the same things every day when you could go to the STi forums where your thoughts would be appreciated.
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About the gtr you are more then right and he did wrote few posts the way you where referring to. I still believe that he will end up with the EVO and that this is just a temporary burst of the negative energy toward the
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Originally posted by MrAWD
Even new STi doesn't have an active adjustments for their center differential. It is static remote adjustment for the bias in the center diff. ACD that EVOs have is much more sophisticated then DCCD is and Subaru is just about the bring their answer to the EVOs ACD, which is called ATD (Automatic Torque Distribution).
Fedja
Even new STi doesn't have an active adjustments for their center differential. It is static remote adjustment for the bias in the center diff. ACD that EVOs have is much more sophisticated then DCCD is and Subaru is just about the bring their answer to the EVOs ACD, which is called ATD (Automatic Torque Distribution).
Fedja
Prodrive's ATD for Subaru will respond to your driver skill, as I understand.
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Originally posted by codemunky
Care to elaborate on the difference between Mitsu's ACD and Subaru's DCCD? I thought they were both active diffs, as Subaru's DCCD, in manual mode, will distribute torque up to 65%. As Suretrac is just like AYC.
Prodrive's ATD for Subaru will respond to your driver skill, as I understand.
Care to elaborate on the difference between Mitsu's ACD and Subaru's DCCD? I thought they were both active diffs, as Subaru's DCCD, in manual mode, will distribute torque up to 65%. As Suretrac is just like AYC.
Prodrive's ATD for Subaru will respond to your driver skill, as I understand.
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Don't take me wrong here. DCCD is a great system and it works great for what is designed to do. What I was saying was only that ACD/AYC combination does at least one thing more than DCCD is meant to be used for.
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Originally posted by MrAWD
About the Claudius (which I have a great respect for, even tough he doesn't like to reply on email or a PM sometimes
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About the Claudius (which I have a great respect for, even tough he doesn't like to reply on email or a PM sometimes
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Originally posted by MrAWD
For some reason there are people that are trying to defend
for what they did with the US EVO and most of the harsh parts where about them.
For some reason there are people that are trying to defend
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Originally posted by MrAWD
About the gtr you are more then right and he did wrote few posts the way you where referring to. I still believe that he will end up with the EVO and that this is just a temporary burst of the negative energy toward the
. I was also proven to wrong a lot of times here to, so...
About the gtr you are more then right and he did wrote few posts the way you where referring to. I still believe that he will end up with the EVO and that this is just a temporary burst of the negative energy toward the
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Actually, the job of ACD and DCCD is to lessen understeer/add oversteer as present in most, if not all, AWD. I think these are great aids. Not sure how ACD is laid out for different conditions (I assume that they are fixed in relation to road conditions), but DCCD is variable, that you can set it up for drift. Maybe someone explain more about ACD setup?
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Originally posted by MrAWD
hardly advanced systems? Then tell me why there is no other car around that cost less then $100k that has them from the factory? Even new STi doesn't have an active adjustments for their center differential. It is static remote adjustment for the bias in the center diff. ACD that EVOs have is much more sophisticated then DCCD is and Subaru is just about the bring their answer to the EVOs ACD, which is called ATD (Automatic Torque Distribution).
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hardly advanced systems? Then tell me why there is no other car around that cost less then $100k that has them from the factory? Even new STi doesn't have an active adjustments for their center differential. It is static remote adjustment for the bias in the center diff. ACD that EVOs have is much more sophisticated then DCCD is and Subaru is just about the bring their answer to the EVOs ACD, which is called ATD (Automatic Torque Distribution).
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Originally posted by Claudius
I will get someone to send him an Evo 7 AYC. In fact, I could pick one up for free here, no one wants them. Maybe someone could help with the install?
This offer is only valid if he promises to stop *****ing!
25kg more, no more drifting and you guys complain about there not being AYC?
I will get someone to send him an Evo 7 AYC. In fact, I could pick one up for free here, no one wants them. Maybe someone could help with the install?
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suave3747, the evo is awesome and i've always wanted one. Actually, i've started complaining when i found out about no ACD and then futher complained about LSD. I know the LSD works well with ACD but without the ACD I'm still not sure it'll be a great Idea.
MrAWD, thought were're on the same band wagon who want ACD? Yes, I was more furious when subaru announce it's specs and friend saying sti will be better is tiresome to defend.
The fact is that I feel the evo is designed better than the wrx sti with the FMIC harder suspention and superior handling by reputation. I also know that
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Half of the people that left this site when Subaru announced the specs of the STi were paper racers that would never have bought the Evo anyhow, and will now read about the STi and talk **** on the Evo without ever having any real intention of buying the STi either.
The other half I would expect are people that don't intend to do much tuning and went chasing after the larger horsepower numbers.
The other half I would expect are people that don't intend to do much tuning and went chasing after the larger horsepower numbers.
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And there are still some here that are just waiting to hear the price and weight of the Sti also. It's going to be hard to blame anyone that goes to the Sti if it comes at a close price and weight. I think Subaru is doing its own little things to cut costs such as no radio, floor mats, rear wiper, etc. and may have a good "base price" to attract buyers. I guess it all comes down to getting the most for your money. I'm sticking with the Evo though..
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Those are the two question people are holding out on the evo8. Personally the weight is a concern but ultimatally handling is #1. Maybe i'm getting upset for nothing if the evo still out handles the STI without ACD
Only time will tell and i hope the results will not be dissapointing.
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