DSM Fire at Mitsubishi vs Subaru Event...large pics
Apr 17, 2005, 12:44 AM
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Before you knock that track and staff, check this out. I was told Norwalk was a rundown, old, left to die strip. A guy who thought it deserved a second chance decided to save it and bought it. He redid it into the nice track it is today and made it my favorite track I've been to. Not sure if it's a true story, but I like it. I know what happened sucks, but we don't know the story, so don't just say the guy running the track is an idiot before we hear the truth. JMO
Originally Posted by CrazyIvan1978
Whatever happened to having proper equipment to put out class BRAVO fires at a place were fuel is abundant. Really sorry to see that happen to anyone. Would like to know what kind moron is in charge of the track.
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Apr 17, 2005, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr.MR
Before you knock that track and staff, listen up. I was told Norwalk was a rundown, old, left to die strip. A guy who thought it deserved a second chance decided to save it and bought it. He redid it into the nice track it is today and made it my favorite track I've been to. I know what happened sucks, but we don't know the story, so don't just say the guy running the track is an idiot before we hear the truth. JMO
A race track should have adequate equipment for class B and C fires...and probably class D fires as well althogh those extinguishers contain harsh chemicals
either way, that sucks for the driver and owner...
this is the z06 someone mentioned earlier..apparently it was spraying a wet shot into the intake and the fuel and nitrous pooled up in the manifold and ignited...as you can see, this fire was properly taken care of and a majority of the car can be salvaged
Apr 17, 2005, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by EVOtagger
I dont really understand what that has to do with anything....i could build a beautiful and fast car....but with no airbags or seatbelts you wont find me driving it...would you drive a rally car with no roll cage?? would you ride a hyabusa with no helmet??
A race track should have adequate equipment for class B and C fires...and probably class D fires as well althogh those extinguishers contain harsh chemicals
A race track should have adequate equipment for class B and C fires...and probably class D fires as well althogh those extinguishers contain harsh chemicals
Apr 17, 2005, 12:12 PM
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I am of course personal friends with the owners of the race track. They have owned the track since 1965.
Since that time they have NEVER had a fire like this. Also, not sure who from "Buschur Racing" said it was a nitrous fire but they were incorrect and probably repeated what the announcer had said about it.
There was a nitrous back fire. In carburated applications this will generally burn as they are wet open to air systems. In fuel injected systems such as our cars have it is not as common as the fuel is all enclosed.
This car had fire coming from it, in the rear almost immediately after launch. The major portion of the fire was coming from the rear. The car has plastic fuel cell in it, in the rear. Once a fuel cell goes it is nearly impossible to put out a fire with that much fuel dumping.
Norwalk emptied 15 fire extinquishers on this fire. In 40 years of owning the track they have NEVER had a fire that wasn't put out, this was the first. Saying it took 15 minutes to get the fire department there is incorrect. The first part of that was spent trying to fight the fire themselves. When it was apparent that they were failing they then called the Norwalk firedepartment which is atleast 6 miles away. c
I didn't look at this car, I have seen Showdowns work in the past and it was all hack work. I don't know about this car but their last was one step short of scrap in my book.
It sucks for them that it burned. Proper installation and use of parts isn't something that comes overnight and I am sure that had everything to do with the car catching fire in the rear at the fuel cell in the first place.
Nitrous DOES NOT burn. It does accelerate the burn.
The car that had the back fire the year before was not the same guy.
The owner of the track was very upset by this fire. I was in the tower with him and was actually very surprised that it even had any effect on him with as many years as they have been running the track. NRP is the home track of the IHRA. He was VERY upset by it. All he kept saying was "What if the driver hadn't got out?!" Fire trucks are highly complicated pieces of equipment, you have to have highly trained people to run them and they are not cheap. A fire extinguisher can have a pin pulled by anyone and shot on a fire and most of the time they work. Bill, the track owner, told me he wants to look into a some type of fool proof simple "fire truck" that can be left at the track after this situation happened.
This event was HUGE. For a first year event on a Friday it was unbelievable. OVER 100 cars racing and most of them were EVO/WRX. In the pits there were hundreds of other EVO's./WRX's just parked and coming to watch. At the beginning of the week NRP called and asked what I expected for a turn out. I told him if we got 50 cars and a 100 spectators I would be impressed. He only had enough man power working for a very small event. The event got so large that the office people were put to work for this. I don't think I have ever been to a normal test and tune or small event when the track was equipped with a fire truck. National events the IHRA/NHRA bring in their safety crews with them and have them right there.
Just some real information for you guys.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Since that time they have NEVER had a fire like this. Also, not sure who from "Buschur Racing" said it was a nitrous fire but they were incorrect and probably repeated what the announcer had said about it.
There was a nitrous back fire. In carburated applications this will generally burn as they are wet open to air systems. In fuel injected systems such as our cars have it is not as common as the fuel is all enclosed.
This car had fire coming from it, in the rear almost immediately after launch. The major portion of the fire was coming from the rear. The car has plastic fuel cell in it, in the rear. Once a fuel cell goes it is nearly impossible to put out a fire with that much fuel dumping.
Norwalk emptied 15 fire extinquishers on this fire. In 40 years of owning the track they have NEVER had a fire that wasn't put out, this was the first. Saying it took 15 minutes to get the fire department there is incorrect. The first part of that was spent trying to fight the fire themselves. When it was apparent that they were failing they then called the Norwalk firedepartment which is atleast 6 miles away. c
I didn't look at this car, I have seen Showdowns work in the past and it was all hack work. I don't know about this car but their last was one step short of scrap in my book.
It sucks for them that it burned. Proper installation and use of parts isn't something that comes overnight and I am sure that had everything to do with the car catching fire in the rear at the fuel cell in the first place.
Nitrous DOES NOT burn. It does accelerate the burn.
The car that had the back fire the year before was not the same guy.
The owner of the track was very upset by this fire. I was in the tower with him and was actually very surprised that it even had any effect on him with as many years as they have been running the track. NRP is the home track of the IHRA. He was VERY upset by it. All he kept saying was "What if the driver hadn't got out?!" Fire trucks are highly complicated pieces of equipment, you have to have highly trained people to run them and they are not cheap. A fire extinguisher can have a pin pulled by anyone and shot on a fire and most of the time they work. Bill, the track owner, told me he wants to look into a some type of fool proof simple "fire truck" that can be left at the track after this situation happened.
This event was HUGE. For a first year event on a Friday it was unbelievable. OVER 100 cars racing and most of them were EVO/WRX. In the pits there were hundreds of other EVO's./WRX's just parked and coming to watch. At the beginning of the week NRP called and asked what I expected for a turn out. I told him if we got 50 cars and a 100 spectators I would be impressed. He only had enough man power working for a very small event. The event got so large that the office people were put to work for this. I don't think I have ever been to a normal test and tune or small event when the track was equipped with a fire truck. National events the IHRA/NHRA bring in their safety crews with them and have them right there.
Just some real information for you guys.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Apr 17, 2005, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by davidbuschur
Bill, the track owner, told me he wants to look into a some type of fool proof simple "fire truck" that can be left at the track after this situation happened.
Apr 17, 2005, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Quack
the other damage was an STi trashed a CV joint.
Here's a shot I got of the DSM... I have a lot but it they're more of the same:
Apr 17, 2005, 02:12 PM
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Shouldn't the fire department be called THE INSTANT a fire starts at a track like that? Instead of trying 15 times to put it out? I know here we have a fire truck and an ambulance on site.
Apr 17, 2005, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by davidbuschur
I am of course personal friends with the owners of the race track. They have owned the track since 1965.
Since that time they have NEVER had a fire like this. Also, not sure who from "Buschur Racing" said it was a nitrous fire but they were incorrect and probably repeated what the announcer had said about it.
There was a nitrous back fire. In carburated applications this will generally burn as they are wet open to air systems. In fuel injected systems such as our cars have it is not as common as the fuel is all enclosed.
This car had fire coming from it, in the rear almost immediately after launch. The major portion of the fire was coming from the rear. The car has plastic fuel cell in it, in the rear. Once a fuel cell goes it is nearly impossible to put out a fire with that much fuel dumping.
Norwalk emptied 15 fire extinquishers on this fire. In 40 years of owning the track they have NEVER had a fire that wasn't put out, this was the first. Saying it took 15 minutes to get the fire department there is incorrect. The first part of that was spent trying to fight the fire themselves. When it was apparent that they were failing they then called the Norwalk firedepartment which is atleast 6 miles away. c
I didn't look at this car, I have seen Showdowns work in the past and it was all hack work. I don't know about this car but their last was one step short of scrap in my book.
It sucks for them that it burned. Proper installation and use of parts isn't something that comes overnight and I am sure that had everything to do with the car catching fire in the rear at the fuel cell in the first place.
Nitrous DOES NOT burn. It does accelerate the burn.
The car that had the back fire the year before was not the same guy.
The owner of the track was very upset by this fire. I was in the tower with him and was actually very surprised that it even had any effect on him with as many years as they have been running the track. NRP is the home track of the IHRA. He was VERY upset by it. All he kept saying was "What if the driver hadn't got out?!" Fire trucks are highly complicated pieces of equipment, you have to have highly trained people to run them and they are not cheap. A fire extinguisher can have a pin pulled by anyone and shot on a fire and most of the time they work. Bill, the track owner, told me he wants to look into a some type of fool proof simple "fire truck" that can be left at the track after this situation happened.
This event was HUGE. For a first year event on a Friday it was unbelievable. OVER 100 cars racing and most of them were EVO/WRX. In the pits there were hundreds of other EVO's./WRX's just parked and coming to watch. At the beginning of the week NRP called and asked what I expected for a turn out. I told him if we got 50 cars and a 100 spectators I would be impressed. He only had enough man power working for a very small event. The event got so large that the office people were put to work for this. I don't think I have ever been to a normal test and tune or small event when the track was equipped with a fire truck. National events the IHRA/NHRA bring in their safety crews with them and have them right there.
Just some real information for you guys.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Since that time they have NEVER had a fire like this. Also, not sure who from "Buschur Racing" said it was a nitrous fire but they were incorrect and probably repeated what the announcer had said about it.
There was a nitrous back fire. In carburated applications this will generally burn as they are wet open to air systems. In fuel injected systems such as our cars have it is not as common as the fuel is all enclosed.
This car had fire coming from it, in the rear almost immediately after launch. The major portion of the fire was coming from the rear. The car has plastic fuel cell in it, in the rear. Once a fuel cell goes it is nearly impossible to put out a fire with that much fuel dumping.
Norwalk emptied 15 fire extinquishers on this fire. In 40 years of owning the track they have NEVER had a fire that wasn't put out, this was the first. Saying it took 15 minutes to get the fire department there is incorrect. The first part of that was spent trying to fight the fire themselves. When it was apparent that they were failing they then called the Norwalk firedepartment which is atleast 6 miles away. c
I didn't look at this car, I have seen Showdowns work in the past and it was all hack work. I don't know about this car but their last was one step short of scrap in my book.
It sucks for them that it burned. Proper installation and use of parts isn't something that comes overnight and I am sure that had everything to do with the car catching fire in the rear at the fuel cell in the first place.
Nitrous DOES NOT burn. It does accelerate the burn.
The car that had the back fire the year before was not the same guy.
The owner of the track was very upset by this fire. I was in the tower with him and was actually very surprised that it even had any effect on him with as many years as they have been running the track. NRP is the home track of the IHRA. He was VERY upset by it. All he kept saying was "What if the driver hadn't got out?!" Fire trucks are highly complicated pieces of equipment, you have to have highly trained people to run them and they are not cheap. A fire extinguisher can have a pin pulled by anyone and shot on a fire and most of the time they work. Bill, the track owner, told me he wants to look into a some type of fool proof simple "fire truck" that can be left at the track after this situation happened.
This event was HUGE. For a first year event on a Friday it was unbelievable. OVER 100 cars racing and most of them were EVO/WRX. In the pits there were hundreds of other EVO's./WRX's just parked and coming to watch. At the beginning of the week NRP called and asked what I expected for a turn out. I told him if we got 50 cars and a 100 spectators I would be impressed. He only had enough man power working for a very small event. The event got so large that the office people were put to work for this. I don't think I have ever been to a normal test and tune or small event when the track was equipped with a fire truck. National events the IHRA/NHRA bring in their safety crews with them and have them right there.
Just some real information for you guys.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
People who are being arm chair quarterbacks on the internet were not there to obesrve the gallant efforts of the Norwalk crew who really impressed me.
Norwalk is the best track I have even been to it bothers me when people make negative comments about it.
Apr 17, 2005, 06:14 PM
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hmmmm...... i wonder if they're gonna post anything on dsmtrader, i got dibs on the turbo 
on the serious note though, the drivers safety is the main concern so if all is well, one can only learn from they're mistakes. Being an EMT myself, cars can be replaced, but once you see a victim who couldn't make it out, money just doesn't matter. Hoping for the best for you guys in the future.
on the serious note though, the drivers safety is the main concern so if all is well, one can only learn from they're mistakes. Being an EMT myself, cars can be replaced, but once you see a victim who couldn't make it out, money just doesn't matter. Hoping for the best for you guys in the future.
Apr 17, 2005, 11:49 PM
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I agree, they don't appear to have the correct extinguishers on hand. My point is that we are seeing pics of a situation we don't have the whole story on. These pics are not every single detail of the story. I think what the owner did was great because he kept an old school track alive as well as making it much nicer. Also, the car definitely should have been equipped for the chance of a N2O explosion. I mean, you can't jump the gun and say the track was not doing there part when the race team was not prepared either. I just wanted to defend the track because they are not completely at fault as far as we know. I also just like that story. 
Originally Posted by 4G63>OOOO
Exactly right, but instead of blaming the track, why didn't the car have a fire suppression system? IMO, if you're playing with nitrous, you need a fire system.