What does 300whp translate to at the crank?
Jul 21, 2005, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Rastmp
My stock 05 evo rs dynoed at 277whp STOCK...!
I have posted my dynosheets some months ago....
Not all cars(EVOS) are created equal..............
I have posted my dynosheets some months ago....
Not all cars(EVOS) are created equal..............
then the dyno reads high. lol.
Jul 21, 2005, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Rastmp
My stock 05 evo rs dynoed at 277whp STOCK...!
I have posted my dynosheets some months ago....
Not all cars(EVOS) are created equal..............
I have posted my dynosheets some months ago....
Not all cars(EVOS) are created equal..............
Also, your dyno sheet didn't look right at all. Your hp suddenly spiked high above 6500 rpm, which didn't make any sense. You weren't making anywhere close to 277 anywhere else on the HP curve. You also said your boost spiked at 1.4 bar (20.3psi) then fell off at 5000 rpm, yet somehow you shot up another 50whp after the boost tapered...
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Jul 21, 2005, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Rastmp
My stock 05 evo rs dynoed at 277whp STOCK...!
I have posted my dynosheets some months ago....
Not all cars(EVOS) are created equal..............
I have posted my dynosheets some months ago....
Not all cars(EVOS) are created equal..............
I would say that a 250WHP is fairly the highest number we should see in a AWD dyno from a stock 05.
Jul 21, 2005, 07:40 PM
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The guys at proven testen my car 3 times and checked it.....the next guy after me dynoed at 228whp ...same car 05 GSR...
Im just telling you what the readings are, not trying to fool anyone.....
Im just telling you what the readings are, not trying to fool anyone.....
Jul 21, 2005, 08:11 PM
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about two months after I got my car I had it dynoed...only had a K&N intake no maf pipe, just the cone filter. It hit 248 awhp and 249ft/lb. The same day I went to the track and in three runs did a best of 13.497@101.8. The dyno was a dyno dynamics done at Dynocomp in Scottsdale AZ in FEB 2005
Jul 21, 2005, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Rastmp
The guys at proven testen my car 3 times and checked it.....the next guy after me dynoed at 228whp ...same car 05 GSR...
Im just telling you what the readings are, not trying to fool anyone.....
Im just telling you what the readings are, not trying to fool anyone.....
Jul 22, 2005, 07:02 AM
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A driveline loss is a driveline loss and there's no getting around it.
And there's always percentages for each kind.
That said, cars are not always made equal. For example the EVO, somewhere, somehow WHP differs to as much as 10 maybe even more between cars when dynoed hence the explanation for factory ratings being low or higher. With the exceptions of course of a few, e.g. Mazda cars which is known to overrate HP ratings.
And there's always percentages for each kind.
That said, cars are not always made equal. For example the EVO, somewhere, somehow WHP differs to as much as 10 maybe even more between cars when dynoed hence the explanation for factory ratings being low or higher. With the exceptions of course of a few, e.g. Mazda cars which is known to overrate HP ratings.
Jul 22, 2005, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by alex_alex
ceteris peribus = "all else being equal"
so what you're saying is "production cars have variances, all else being equal."
Explain that one.
so what you're saying is "production cars have variances, all else being equal."
Explain that one.
If you have 10 Evos that are "stock," all else being equal as you so nicely translated, will they all make the exact same power? The answer in all likelihood is NO.
A sampling of 'identical' or similar cars will all make different power on the same dyno on the same day. The range might be a few percent, or more. Even with completely stock cars, owned by 10 different people, there are many other variables like gas used, break-in, maintenance, etc. etc. ad naseum. However, even if the cars were controlled and "ideal' so that they were the broken in the same, maintained the same, etc. Do you think they would make the exact same power on a dyno? Probably not, since there are manufacturing differences, albeit probably slight.
Does that make sense?
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Jul 22, 2005, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by berkel
That isn't clear?
If you have 10 Evos that are "stock," all else being equal as you so nicely translated, will they all make the exact same power? The answer in all likelihood is NO.
A sampling of 'identical' or similar cars will all make different power on the same dyno on the same day. The range might be a few percent, or more. Even with completely stock cars, owned by 10 different people, there are many other variables like gas used, break-in, maintenance, etc. etc. ad naseum. However, even if the cars were controlled and "ideal' so that they were the broken in the same, maintained the same, etc. Do you think they would make the exact same power on a dyno? Probably not, since there are manufacturing differences, albeit probably slight.
Does that make sense?
FB
If you have 10 Evos that are "stock," all else being equal as you so nicely translated, will they all make the exact same power? The answer in all likelihood is NO.
A sampling of 'identical' or similar cars will all make different power on the same dyno on the same day. The range might be a few percent, or more. Even with completely stock cars, owned by 10 different people, there are many other variables like gas used, break-in, maintenance, etc. etc. ad naseum. However, even if the cars were controlled and "ideal' so that they were the broken in the same, maintained the same, etc. Do you think they would make the exact same power on a dyno? Probably not, since there are manufacturing differences, albeit probably slight.
Does that make sense?
FB
I disagree that if car variances were all controlled for and "ideal" they would still make different power. The problem is, it is practically impossible for all these variances TO BE controlled for.
Jul 22, 2005, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by alex_alex
the point is, evo's make varying amounts of power EXACTLY BECAUSE of these tiny variances that we can't see or quantify. Its completely circular to assume, all else being equal, that variances (in power or otherwise) would still occur.
I disagree that if car variances were all controlled for and "ideal" they would still make different power. The problem is, it is practically impossible for all these variances TO BE controlled for.
I disagree that if car variances were all controlled for and "ideal" they would still make different power. The problem is, it is practically impossible for all these variances TO BE controlled for.
Jul 22, 2005, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by alex_alex
the point is, evo's make varying amounts of power EXACTLY BECAUSE of these tiny variances that we can't see or quantify. Its completely circular to assume, all else being equal, that variances (in power or otherwise) would still occur.
I disagree that if car variances were all controlled for and "ideal" they would still make different power. The problem is, it is practically impossible for all these variances TO BE controlled for.
I disagree that if car variances were all controlled for and "ideal" they would still make different power. The problem is, it is practically impossible for all these variances TO BE controlled for.
I graduated as an Econ major 10 years ago, and ceteribus paribus is used in a similar context to discuss economic theory, not meant to convey scientific "exact" or "ideal experiments More of a "real world" example... Now I forgot what was the point of this thread. Here, have a
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