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Old Sep 2, 2005 | 11:58 PM
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drivings overated lets all just get airplanes **** it... lol
Old Sep 3, 2005 | 12:05 AM
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LMAO.

The old people argument....LOL

Safe driving is more a matter of functional ability than age - although, some functional ability is clearly age-related.

Those functions can include reduced vision, caused by diseases such as cataracts, macular degeneration (the leading cause of blindness in older people) and diabetic retinopathy. Other limiting conditions that increase with age are hearing loss, decline of cognitive ability (such as dementia), physical impairments like arthritis and the risk of sudden cardiac death.

You are trying to tell me that keeping the speed limit at 55MPH with people like that driving 10+ miles under it is safe? LOL, what are you smoking?!@

I don't believe most older drivers are competent enough to be behind the wheel today.

The reaction time alone is enough of a reason to not have them on the road, they are a hazards when driving especially when 99% of the traffic is doing the speed limit or above...it's called impeding the flow of traffic and they are doing this in the left lane.
Old Sep 3, 2005 | 12:06 AM
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you get lucky one time that doesn't meant anythign

just obey the law
Old Sep 3, 2005 | 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by EVOONYOASS
I find that comment amusing. How can you feel safer at a higher rate of speed?
For me, it's because I am less likely to "zone out" or even fall asleep.

Yes, I know it sounds silly, but on long road trips is makes a difference for me. At the posted speed limit, I get bored and just travel in the right hand lane. At a higher speed limit, I have to pass traffic, which keeps me active and makes me more alert.

That's probably the only situation where I would consider it safer, however...

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Old Sep 3, 2005 | 12:07 AM
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I don’t even think I need to speed. The bass is traveling and my face is crackling when I turn it up and make my speakers bleed. Dirty south we are balling, dog. And we never think about falling, dog. Ghetto harmonizing, surprising, and running back because the song is cold.
Old Sep 3, 2005 | 12:07 AM
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"Having to swerve out of the way while doing 65mph is tougher for some of the older crowd. You need to respect all drivers on the road because you never know who is behind the other wheel and what driving abilities they might have or lack."

That is still not the reason speed limits were implemented nor why they are enforced today, nor does it explain why the national speed limits have gone up across the country.
Old Sep 3, 2005 | 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by markeddy

I'll take a good driver going 80 mph in front of me over a bad driver going 55 mph any day.
Yea but who decides who is a good driver or a bad driver and how would you know that. When an officer pulls you over for speeding (ie breaking the law) it is under the assumption that you are doing something wrong, hence a "bad" driver. I know that this is not always the case, which is why we have appeals and such. Dont get me wrong I do fight all my tickets (1) whenever I can cause I believe that I am not a reckless driver. But I do not agree with what you say... example: how about a good driver going 55mph
Old Sep 3, 2005 | 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by markeddy
Why is it funny that I feel more comfortable driving above the speed limit.

Go drive 10 miles under the speed limit and tell me you feel safer.

You are silly, go sit down.

I agree 100% I would rather be keeping up or passing traffic, knowing that I am able to see the people that I am passing, and I'm able to react to them, rather than having people blow past me, having people switching lanes all around me trying to get me out of their way, having people ride my ***...on and on. It's not like he's saying he feels more comfortable going 120 mph, I dunno where you guys live but if you drive 60 in a 60 mph here, your going to get passed constantly, and frankly, it's pretty scary to having masses of people blowing past you on the freeway.
Old Sep 3, 2005 | 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Richard EVO
I'm an attorney, not an idiot. The defense was that in Calif., when an officer determines speed using the pacing method and his speedometer, the speedo must be calibrated. I conducted pre-trial discovery and found out that the state planned to introduce a piece of paper that purported to be a speedo calibration form. It was not certified, it was done by a non-government agency, and it was highly unlikely that they would bring the custodian of records from the testing service to testify how the test was performed, that the form was what it appeared to be, and was prepared in the ordinary course of business.

Therefore, the calibration form was inadmissible hearsay. I have won before with this defense. I don't expect most of you to understand this post, but if you do, it works.
who cares if anyone else is pissed that you beat a ticket.i dont cxare if you were doing 200mph you beat a ticket. yea maybe you were wrong but congratrs on beating them at their own game.
Old Sep 3, 2005 | 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Hotshot940
I agree 100% I would rather be keeping up or passing traffic, knowing that I am able to see the people that I am passing, and I'm able to react to them, rather than having people blow past me, having people switching lanes all around me trying to get me out of their way, having people ride my ***...on and on. It's not like he's saying he feels more comfortable going 120 mph, I dunno where you guys live but if you drive 60 in a 60 mph here, your going to get passed constantly, and frankly, it's pretty scary to having masses of people blowing past you on the freeway.
LOL... I keep sounding like an A-hole but I couldnt resist,

What about the people you are blowing by while you are passing them, how do you think they feel?

And yes I am a hipocrit... I speed every now and then as well
Old Sep 3, 2005 | 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by markeddy
Please....please...

Posted speed limits have NOTHING to do with safety today, and WHY they were implemented has EVERYTHING to do with why they are what they are today.

1. People today have the same bad habits as they did 10,20,30 years ago (i.e. driving too slow, failure to yield to faster traffic in left lane, tailgating, weavin in and out of traffic, etc.).

2. On 80% of the roads we have speed limits that are identical to what they were 30+ years ago but the cars we have today outhandle, outperform, and outbrake 100x better and more safely than anything on the road in the last 20 years.

3. Public safety was not the motivation behind speed limits or speeding tickets. Revenue is. It's a big money maker in rural areas.

I want a society where the police investigate murder, rape, and robbery; instead of sitting on the side of the road and waiting to extort and harass drivers.

I'll take a good driver going 80 mph in front of me over a bad driver going 55 mph any day.

Your position that speed limits are for safety doesn't hold water, as for this testing show me proof that this is the case.
I guess if you need to justify your need to speed on public roads with some of this mumbo jumbo...have at it. Just remember you're putting the lives of other people at risk who are obeying the law.

Why do you think they do test for braking distance at certain speeds?
Why do they do swerving test at certain speeds?

Safe speed limits are also set for alternate weather conditions like rain.
Why do they do certain test in the rain at certain speeds?

I take it these test are not done for safety?

The speed limits have varied throught the decades back and forth give or take 10mph. They were once lowered back in the 70's, then raised and again lowered in the 80's for safety. They were then raised back up even though national death rates increased from excessive speeding. There were too many deaths on the raod due to unsafe posted speed limits.

If you're over 30 like me then you would remember when they did this. Do you? Did they not lower them for safety because I remember everybody getting pissed off because of this. It was clearly stated back then it was done for public safety.


If you kill somebodys family member from speeding on the highway, try explaining to them you felt more comfortable driving that fast but didn't think you would hurt somebody. Do you actually think the people that die every day from excessive speeding thought they were in control of the situation before death happened? Most of them did, but I bet 100% of them would not speed if they had known that was going to happen.

People drive like idiots weaving in and out of traffic at 100mph so I couldn't imagine everybody doing it. Not everybody has the driving ability at those speeds nor do people have the ability to react to others driving that fast. Its not safe!

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Old Sep 3, 2005 | 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by markeddy
You are trying to tell me that keeping the speed limit at 55MPH with people like that driving 10+ miles under it is safe? LOL, what are you smoking?!@

I don't believe most older drivers are competent enough to be behind the wheel today.

The reaction time alone is enough of a reason to not have them on the road, they are a hazards when driving especially when 99% of the traffic is doing the speed limit or above...it's called impeding the flow of traffic and they are doing this in the left lane.
It would be safe if everybody was obeying the law. The posted speed limit is not what you must do. You can go under the posted limit.

Impeding the flow of traffic that is speeding is not impeding the flow of traffic. That law is based off of people driving under the slowest posted limit. Like when you are on the highway in a 65mph zone and it is followed by a 45mph sign. Anybody going under 45mpn in the 65mph zone is impeding the flow of traffic, not somebody going the speed limit. You obviously don't understand the law.

What do you suppose older people do, stay at home or ride the bus everywhere they go? How are we to determine who is too old to drive? If they can obey the law then they are capable of driving.
Old Sep 3, 2005 | 01:17 AM
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I got a ticket which alleged I was going 82 mph in a 65 mph zone on the freeway in Los Angeles last January. I decided to fight it (as I always do). I appeared on the date on the ticket in and asked to be arraigned in person, so that I could force them to give me a speedy trial (within 45 days after arraignment under Calif. law). They gave me an arriagnment date in late July!. I went to the arriagnment and pled not guilty. The court gave me a trail date of today (Sept. 2).

I went to court this morning prepared to defend myself. I had a good defense ready and a pretty decent chance of winning. I was checking out all the police officers in the courtroom, looking at their name badges to see if Officer Berg showed up or not. I couldn't find him, but there were a couple of cops in street clothes and no name badge, so I couldn't be sure.

The judge tooK the bench a 9:30 (an hour late) and said the first thing she would do is dismiss all the cases where the cop did not show up. She called about six defendant names and dismissed them. I was not one of them, so I assumed my cop was in the courtroom. I waited another hour and a half, while about 4 trials went on. All 4 were found guilty. Then the court called my case.

I said Good Morning, Your Honor. She said the cop did not show up and my case was dismissed. I said Thank You Your Honor and left, not bothering to ask why I wasn't let go with the other dismissals earlier.

Victory is mine. I get my $200+ bail back an no point on my license. I doesn't matter how you win. Good defenses or cop no-show. ALWAYS FIGHT YOUR TICKETS!!!

Yeah of course +1 definatley, nice job."Berg" Thats funny too cause there is a Berg thats a cop back where I Live too.
Old Sep 3, 2005 | 01:22 AM
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Here is some good info:

Dane, Wisconsin
So began James J. Baxter, President, of the National Motorists Association, in his description of the process that culminated in the repeal of the 55 mph National Maximum Speed Limit, a law first established in 1973 as a temporary fuel economy measure.

The White House has joined the cry, as has Transportation Secretary Federico Pe¤a who estimates eliminating the national speed limit will cost an additional 5,000 lives a year. It does seem intuitive that higher speed limits means more deaths. After all, the faster the speed at which two objects collide, the harder the impact and the more things go snap, crackle, and pop. It's also true that the faster you're going when you hit the brakes, the longer it takes to stop.

National speed limit proponents also note that almost one-third of highway fatalities are "attributed to"speeding

Finally there is an oft-cited study showing that after some states increased their limits from 55 to 65, accident deaths went up on those roads.

Indeed, an earlier AAA report looking at a number of different studies confirmed "accident rates increase with increasing speed variance for all classes of roads." This is why it wasn't smart for the Senate bill to maintain the national speed limit for commercial trucks and buses, effectively ensuring they will go slower than cars. What's worst about the national speed limit's approach to saving lives is that it uses a shotgun approach, instead of dealing with specific problems. For example, drivers under the age of 20, for example, are involved in more than twice as many fatal accidents as those over 20. Such a disparity results in part from a system that makes getting a driver's license far easier than passing a high school final exam. Make driving a privilege instead of a right and watch traffic deaths plummet.

Here is more info:

Speeding a Serious Problem 10 Years

After National Speed Limit Repeal

Washington, DC&emdash; The Governors Highway Safety Association (GHSA) today released a new survey of its member jurisdictions detailing their efforts to control speeding by motorists. The report comes nearly ten years after Congress repealed the National Maximum Speed Limit, which had required states to keep speed limits at a maximum of 65 miles per hour in rural areas and 55 mph in urban areas.

According to GHSA Chair Lt. Colonel Jim Champagne, "In addressing the speeding problem, we are where we were twenty-five years ago with drunk driving: there is a serious problem but we do not have an effective remedy." To enhance state and federal efforts in reducing speeding-related fatalities and injuries, GHSA is coordinating a National Forum on Speeding later this week in Washington, D.C. The invitation-only meeting, which is being funded and co-sponsored by the U.S. Department of Transportation, will make recommendations to enhance coordination of federal, state, local and private sector policies and programs as well as identify additional research and data needs.

Of the 50 GHSA jurisdictions that responded to the survey, 38 indicated a speed limit increase in their jurisdiction since 1994. Just as troubling is an analysis from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety which reports that 31 states have raised speed limits to 70 mph or higher on some portion of their roadways. A 1999 IIHS study found that deaths increased an estimated 15 percent on interstates and freeways in 24 states that raised speed limits after the repeal of the National Maximum Speed Limit.

Nationally, statistics indicate speeding-related fatalities have remained level since the National Maximum Speed Limit repeal. According to GHSA Chair Champagne, "We should have experienced a significant decline in speeding-related fatalities given the tremendous gains in safety belt use coupled with the increasingly safe design of vehicles. However, it appears these benefits have been minimized by increasing speeds." Given the trends, Champagne indicates that it's not surprising that speeding-related fatalities continue to represent a third of overall highway fatalities. He says, "As a country, if we are going to reduce the carnage on our roadways, speeding must be given the same level of attention that has been given to occupant protection and impaired driving."

The problem with speeding is not just the increased speed limits but also the fact that the public feels comfortable driving above the posted limits, even when road conditions are less than ideal. Of the 50 GHSA jurisdictions surveyed, 42 indicated there exists a "cushion" of 5-10 mph, not only in the minds of the public but also in enforcement practice. Champagne states, "This cushion truly exists across this country and in some cases is more than 10 mph above posted limits. Law enforcement need to be given the political will to enforce speed limits and the public must get the message that speeding will not be tolerated."

GHSA's Survey found that its jurisdictions believe increased enforcement of speeding-related laws has become very difficult because of uncertainty in highway safety funding and decreased numbers of officers due to retirements, as well as an increased emphasis on homeland security issues. One remedy to augment diminishing police enforcement is the use of automated enforcement, commonly known as "speed cameras." These systems combine radar or laser-measuring technology and video or photographic identification to automatically detect and record speed limit violations. Despite the effectiveness of automated enforcement, GHSA's Survey indicates that only six states and the District of Columbia have implemented speed camera programs. According to Champagne, "Clearly, more of our jurisdictions need to consider using these tools as part of their enforcement effort. I am hopeful that one of the recommendations of the National Forum on Speeding will be a strong endorsement for increased automated enforcement."

Another area that requires additional focus is data collection. Of the 50 GHSA jurisdictions that responded to the Survey, 48 collect speeding-related crash data but only 31 jurisdictions have a statewide database to log speeding-related citation data. This makes it difficult to form undisputable conclusions about the frequency and effectiveness of enforcement efforts.

Champagne believes that despite grim statistics, there is hope. "While most states are struggling with the speeding issue, some GHSA jurisdictions have implemented innovative efforts to combat this problem." He cites Georgia and some of the other states in the Southeast region that have had success with their summer "H.E.A.T. (Highway Enforcement of Aggressive Traffic)" campaigns. These efforts combine massive corridor speeding-related enforcement along with paid advertisements warning the public about speeding. The Washington, D.C.-area has also developed a highly-visible "Smooth Operator" program which has increased attention to speeding in the area.

Champagne concludes that reducing speeding-related injuries and fatalities is a tremendous undertaking but one that must be done. He says, " It is going to be difficult to make significant progress, but we must remember that in highway safety much progress has been made in increasing safety belt use and reducing drunk driving. With a similar commitment of energy and cooperation, progress can be made."
Old Sep 3, 2005 | 01:33 AM
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he can overspeed anytime....he's an attorney. but karma always comes.



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