trevor

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Yeah, it is pretty sad how Mitsu can take a good thing and turn it bad. As mentioned previously, the nice AWD turbo setup they had with the Eclipse GSX that tuners and many other people loved turned into a bigger, heavier, less powerful NA FWD car... which, in my mind, makes it worse in every way. Talk about SUCK

So they kind of have a history of taking something good and turning it bad. It's hard to believe they would be that stupid - look at their current lineup of cars. Which ones do people really want and are often forced into paying over MSRP for. I haven't heard of anybody having to dish out extra cash to get into a Montero or a Galant , it's pretty obvious the Evo is their only car they are doing well with. If something is working well, why get rid of it or change it drastically?? *sigh*...

KINGEVO7

exactly, because if you think about it, the evo would never have servived if they brought it over in the early 90's. just like the escort cosworth in 93' who is buying a car like that for 48k

KINGEVO7

I would never take a car seriously if its only in one country (eclipse) i saw the eclipse as a way to market the evo pwr in a more stylish body(93').

yellowEVO21

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considering that mitsubishi isn't exactly a powerhouse in america, do you honestly think that they're going to let their most powerful (and flagship) car go to crap? resale value might go up a little bit because people will like the engine and body style of the 03-06's, but its not going to be insane like the supra re-sale value.

i think the X is going to be amazing and everybody who's bad-mouthing it now is going to love it whenever the hell it comes out...

nirvevo

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I'd do what ever it takes to be where you need to be in an VIII or IX when the X comes out. Don't confuse the people who designed the Evo with the people who run the company.

If they don't screw it up, it will still cost a fair amount more, and I believe subject to the new emissions standards.

I hope that I'm wrong, but Mitsubishi have their heads up their asses in more places than just this one. (truck line is dying) - so if you are counting on them to do the "right thing" by the Evo crowd, you're kidding yourself.

If the Evo is the so-called flagship, then why does all the adverstising money and production go into the neutered Eclipse. (that might be some of the corporate official party line - but have you EVER seen a add for the Evo in the US??? didn't think so)
(But that is also what appeals to me about the Evo)

(The add where they have an RX7 bowing down to a car that hasn't been taken seriously since the 2G is straight out embarrassing. I could see it if it were a 1G)

I have NO idea why we even see Evo's here.

Over all - A Pathetic way to do business.

Don't misunderstand me, I would love to be a Mistsy Fanboy, but they make it impossible.

The Evo is a Mitsubishi like the Corvette is a Chevy.

conphuzed

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...and don't you hardly see 'Vette commercials?

This has been discussed before and I think everyone came to the same conclusion , that people shopping for an EVO, know what is it and don't need to see an advertisement for it. Besides, there's not a big market for the EVO, because older men who can afford it more easily, perfer the class of a Porsche or BMW over the "toy with the big wing." Can you remember the last time you saw an STI commercial? I sure can't. The market isn't huge for these cars and the people that will buy them, know what they are (usually) WAY before they get to the dealership.

nirvevo

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Well you might be missing and getting my point all at the same time.

The Evo isn't the flagship of Mits. And yes Chevrolet at leasts acknowledges the Vette, most recently in the Colbalt add, but so what, my point was, Mits wasn't endangering it's flagship in changing the Evo

By advertising standards it would seem the Eclipse fits the description, may be the Galant , or Diamante, who knows , who cares , but it isn't the Evo

The obscurity of the Evo happens to appeal to me.

That it's been discussed before isn't really the point, it will continue to be discussed alot more.

Subie has a flag ship of sorts in the Imprezza or Forrester, depending on your tilt.

As far as people knowing the Evo before they get there, I agree, though that wasn't the case for me.

nirvevo

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PS

You do see adds in Magazines for the STi - not many but there out there, and I can't swear to the fact that I haven't heard the WRX referred to in a subie add.

The point there is that based on their advertising, I don't think you could prove Mitsubishi even admited to making the Evo - (at least in the States)

Hardly how you present your flagship :-)

roys44

Although I like the looks of the new X, (assuming it looks close to that when it finally comes out), I too have my doubts. The reviews haven't been that good of the new platform the Evo X is supposed to be using, (Dodge Caliber), and you can be sure it won't be any cheaper. That and the fact that there seems to be some unbelievable low prices on new 9's makes me think that the best "bang for the buck" Evo is now or never.

GPTourer

The Evo is the performance flagship, they don't have anything else as far as halo cars go. They are talking about adding more Evo qualities to the line up, which is why the Ralliart Galant is on the way, and possibly either a Ralliart or GSX Eclipse for 2008/9. They don't make the Diamante anymore.

Schuyler

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In my short history with the internet (since '91), several things are sure.

1) There will always be death predictions about things.
2) They will rarely happen.

Now this is all my opinion - duh - I'm posting it - but I don't care about what a manufacturer does in the future - I love the car I currently have, plan to have it for 2-3 years, and have one helluva time driving it while I have it.

The Evo is planted firmly in car owner lore. It's one of, as road and track says, the top 10 fun cars to drive. That's all that matters to me.

yellowEVO21

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Because you have taken 3 posts to completely miscontrue how i used the term "flagship", i'm going to take a min out of my day and respond to your argument that because the evo hasn't been advertised a lot (or at all), it's not important enough to be the flagship of Mitsubishi in the US.

1.

Where did I ever say that it's the flagship because of how much its advertised? That's great reasoning you brought up. In fact, I think you should tell that to Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bentley and a couple of other no-name brands that have outrageous price-tags, because i don't see them advertised much. According to you, they must have horrible marketing strategy.

conphuzed brought up an excellent point, you hardly see the corvette being advertised. actually come to think of it, i can't remember the last time i saw a corvette commercial and i think the corvette is pretty much the chevy flagship....even from a symbolism perspective.

2. I can't say for sure, esp from a marketing perspective, what Mits should do to revive their other car lines. However, from a marketing and common sense perspective, The EVO is the best thing Mits has going for them in the US. I personally believe it'd take a lot to screw up the X (maybe not too much from an aesthetic viewpoint, but certainly from a performance perspective). But even that aside, they're not going to sink their most popular (and best) Car by doing it halfass. Do you honestly think that the X won't perform as well as or even better than the 8 or 9? Please don't transfer your disdain for the Galant over to the EVo X

And as for your argument about the most spent on advertising = flagship status, see my point (and conphuzed's) above.

3. um actually a lot of enthusiasts would probably agree with that.

4. once again, refer to above. I see a lot more ads for the Mits Raider truck than I've ever seen for the EVo. so according to you, more advertising = most important Mits vehicle? riiiiight....

So in short, I used the word "flagship" to describe the accolades and overall brand recognition of the EVO in the US for mitsubishi.

Considering how you refer to the fact that you like how mits doesn't advertise the evo, do you think that's just because they forgot to include the Evo in their marketing budget? They do it cause it's had a following before it even came to the US and they need to advertise other cars MUCH more (such as the galant or raider) because they're doing worse and don't have the brand recognition or the awards the EVO has.

So please stop trying to argue that the amount of money spent advertising a car is connected to it's status in a brand line, you're wrong. Tell us the next time you see a McClarren F1 being advertised next to the same ad you saw for a Subie Forrester.

gotevo?

Reading threads like this make me sad :sigh: .

yellowEVO21

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i know, but sometimes you want to defend yourself against stupid people.

I'm not going to take MORE time to write another long thread like above....BUT, go to google and type in "evo, flagship, mitsubishi" and see how many others would agree with me.

I apologize to everyone who had to read the last 5 or so posts in this thread, and i know this is a very small point, but its MY point and I'm right.

so there!

evo542

mitsu said the evo x will weigh around 3100lbs due to it's aluminum body. I don't know why people keep saying it will be heavier