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Apr 6, 2006, 09:47 PM
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When the Evo 8 came here in the states, everyone stated how ugly it looked, how it didn't look like the 7, or how they wish it looked more like the 6. It's the same cycle right now. Some people will not like the Evo X and some will. I personally like it myself. Alot of people that I have shown it to seem to like it even people who do not really care for the looks of the 8 and 9. I think mitsu is trying to apeal to a wider market with the X this time.
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Get Firefox youll never have dumb issues like these again..............I uploaded no prob first click.....4 sec. to download as well 
......the X is a badass but I'd bet by the time its realesed they'll have a more "rally" like version available. Although it will prob. not satisfy you diehard evo 8, 9 lovers. I agree the first year at least will be problomatic for the new X, I will be waiting until 09's come out to pick one up. Lets hope they give us a solid motor with plenty of H/P without the turbos being streched out, and so the Honda cries of thir N/A's with so much HP can be queled.
......the X is a badass but I'd bet by the time its realesed they'll have a more "rally" like version available. Although it will prob. not satisfy you diehard evo 8, 9 lovers. I agree the first year at least will be problomatic for the new X, I will be waiting until 09's come out to pick one up. Lets hope they give us a solid motor with plenty of H/P without the turbos being streched out, and so the Honda cries of thir N/A's with so much HP can be queled.
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Originally Posted by EvoRhodeIsland
Actually Mitsubishi has been aroun forever, they built the first planes for war in japan. Click HERE to see pics.
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At the end of World War I, the return of peace brought a sharp decline in orders for military equipment among the victorious powers. Japan was one of them, having been an ally of Great Britain. However, rather than turning toward peace, the Japanese government launched a new buildup, in preparation for future wars. In 1920 alone, the Japanese army and navy placed orders for nearly 1,400 warplanes. During the next two decades, and during World War II, the firm of Mitsubishi stood in the forefront of Japanese military aviation.
Mitsubishi was a "zaibatsu," which translates as "wealthy clique." It was a family-owned industrial combine that owned banks, which provided it with funds. Mitsubishi was the second largest zaibatsu, standing alongside the Mitsui, Sumitomo, and Yasuda zaibatsu. Founded in 1873 by the entrepreneur Iwasaki Yataro, it received strong government support from the outset. It started with trading and merchant shipping, then expanding into mining, shipbuilding, real estate, iron and steel, insurance, oil refining, and chemicals.
The group entered aviation during World War I, building French aircraft engines under license and soon producing trainer aircraft that were also French. A design group headed by Britain's Herbert Smith, who had been a chief engineer at Sopwith Aviation Company, crafted new warplanes that became standard equipment with the Japanese navy. Mitsubishi also learned lessons from Germany, first by working with the aircraft designer Alexander Baumann and then through a collaboration with the German planebuilding firm of Junkers.
Preparations for war went forward rapidly during the 1920s, as the Navy built its first aircraft carriers. These included the 800-foot (244-meter) Akagi and Kaga, which were among the world's largest. In 1930, the naval leader Isoroku Yamamoto torpedoed international plans to limit construction of warships, thereby giving Japan free rein to continue its buildup. By then, the United States had powerful carriers of its own, and Yamamoto saw them as a threat. He demanded construction of long-range bombers that could strike those Yankee warships. Mitsubishi responded with a twin-engine aircraft that later became known as the Nell.
Japan went to war in 1931, initially against China. In August 1937, with the war escalating, a force of 38 Nells flew from Japan and struck Chinese targets 1,250 miles (2,012 kilometers) away. This was astonishing, for its range was more than double that of any other bomber then flying. Mitsubishi achieved this performance by making the plane light in weight by removing guns and armor. Indeed, pilots were told that a desire for armor was a sign of cowardice.
Two years later, the company introduced what became Japan's standard twin-engine bomber: the Betty. Mitsubishi provided the engines as well. The Betty could fly well over 3,000 miles (4,828 kilometers) without refueling, which again it achieved by eliminating armor and fire-resistant fuel tanks to save weight. The firm went on to build nearly 2,500 of them.
During 1939, Mitsubishi also launched Japan's most famous and deadliest wartime fighter: the Zero. Again, light weight was its strong suit. An early opponent, the Curtiss P-40, weighed 1,000 pounds (454 kilograms) more when empty than the Zero did when loaded. This gave the Zero great maneuverability. It carried two machine guns and two cannons that fired 20-millimeter shells. More than 10,000 were built, while the Allies had no aircraft that could match it until 1943.
These warplanes played vital roles in a sweeping Japanese offensive that got under way in December 1941. On December 7, a fleet of six aircraft carriers struck Pearl Harbor, a major U.S. naval base. The attack delivered a heavy blow against the Pacific Fleet and led the next day to a declaration of war against Japan.
Hours after the attack on Pearl Harbor, a land-based force of Mitsubishi Nells and Bettys, escorted by Zeroes, struck U.S. airfields in the Philippines. The Zeroes did particular damage, firing at parked aircraft with their guns. The Japanese destroyed more than 100 U.S. warplanes. The American forces never recovered, as Japan invaded the main island of Luzon. The defeat that followed was one of the most bitter in American history.
Then came the turn of the British. They held a vital naval base at Singapore and sought to reinforce it by sending the battleship Prince of Wales and the battle cruiser Repulse. A large force of Nells and Bettys caught them in the open and bombed them. Japanese torpedo planes finished them off, with 14 torpedoes striking the Repulse and seven hitting the Wales.
General Sir Alan Brooke, chief of Britain's General Staff, wrote that loss of those warships meant that "from Africa eastward to America through the Indian Ocean and the Pacific, we have lost control of the sea." Singapore was Britain's key position in the Far East, but the sinking of those ships left its defenders without hope. They outnumbered the attacking Japanese, 70,000 to 35,000, but two months later this British force surrendered.
In the wake of these triumphs, Japan's empire included Southeast Asia and much of China, while extending southward toward Australia and eastward far into the Pacific. As the war continued, Mitsubishi became that nation's leading builder of aircraft engines. It ranked number two in number of aircraft produced, with the firm of Nakajima in first place, but Mitsubishi held particular strength in production of bombers.
Despite the breadth of its conquests, Japan's position was vulnerable, with its vast empire being open to counterattack. Yamamoto himself had foreseen this. Prior to the war he stated, "If I am told to fight regardless of the consequences, I shall run wild for the first six months or a year, but I have utterly no confidence for the second and third years of the fighting." He had seen what he described as "the automobile factories in Detroit and the oil fields in Texas," and he was well aware that Japan lacked such industrial strength. He knew that in a long war, the United States would mobilize this strength to build powerful weapons in numbers that Japan could not match.
Following the surrender of Japan, in 1945, American authorities broke up the zaibatsu, including Mitsubishi. These industrial combines later reorganized as corporations set up in the American style, without the family control and ownership of the prewar decades. Portions of Mitsubishi remained active in building power plants and heavy machinery, in chemicals, and in banking and overseas trade. The company also expanded into new areas, winning a strong position in electronics and in automobiles and light trucks.
However, one important industry was missing. Japan's defeat brought a shutdown in its production of aircraft. Mitsubishi went on to assemble American jet fighters, building them under license, and later supplied sections of airframe for the Boeing 767 and 777 and McDonnell Douglas MD-11 airliners. However, neither Mitsubishi nor any other Japanese company has reestablished an independent position in military aviation.
Mitsubishi
At the end of World War I, the return of peace brought a sharp decline in orders for military equipment among the victorious powers. Japan was one of them, having been an ally of Great Britain. However, rather than turning toward peace, the Japanese government launched a new buildup, in preparation for future wars. In 1920 alone, the Japanese army and navy placed orders for nearly 1,400 warplanes. During the next two decades, and during World War II, the firm of Mitsubishi stood in the forefront of Japanese military aviation.
Mitsubishi was a "zaibatsu," which translates as "wealthy clique." It was a family-owned industrial combine that owned banks, which provided it with funds. Mitsubishi was the second largest zaibatsu, standing alongside the Mitsui, Sumitomo, and Yasuda zaibatsu. Founded in 1873 by the entrepreneur Iwasaki Yataro, it received strong government support from the outset. It started with trading and merchant shipping, then expanding into mining, shipbuilding, real estate, iron and steel, insurance, oil refining, and chemicals.
The group entered aviation during World War I, building French aircraft engines under license and soon producing trainer aircraft that were also French. A design group headed by Britain's Herbert Smith, who had been a chief engineer at Sopwith Aviation Company, crafted new warplanes that became standard equipment with the Japanese navy. Mitsubishi also learned lessons from Germany, first by working with the aircraft designer Alexander Baumann and then through a collaboration with the German planebuilding firm of Junkers.
Preparations for war went forward rapidly during the 1920s, as the Navy built its first aircraft carriers. These included the 800-foot (244-meter) Akagi and Kaga, which were among the world's largest. In 1930, the naval leader Isoroku Yamamoto torpedoed international plans to limit construction of warships, thereby giving Japan free rein to continue its buildup. By then, the United States had powerful carriers of its own, and Yamamoto saw them as a threat. He demanded construction of long-range bombers that could strike those Yankee warships. Mitsubishi responded with a twin-engine aircraft that later became known as the Nell.
Japan went to war in 1931, initially against China. In August 1937, with the war escalating, a force of 38 Nells flew from Japan and struck Chinese targets 1,250 miles (2,012 kilometers) away. This was astonishing, for its range was more than double that of any other bomber then flying. Mitsubishi achieved this performance by making the plane light in weight by removing guns and armor. Indeed, pilots were told that a desire for armor was a sign of cowardice.
Two years later, the company introduced what became Japan's standard twin-engine bomber: the Betty. Mitsubishi provided the engines as well. The Betty could fly well over 3,000 miles (4,828 kilometers) without refueling, which again it achieved by eliminating armor and fire-resistant fuel tanks to save weight. The firm went on to build nearly 2,500 of them.
During 1939, Mitsubishi also launched Japan's most famous and deadliest wartime fighter: the Zero. Again, light weight was its strong suit. An early opponent, the Curtiss P-40, weighed 1,000 pounds (454 kilograms) more when empty than the Zero did when loaded. This gave the Zero great maneuverability. It carried two machine guns and two cannons that fired 20-millimeter shells. More than 10,000 were built, while the Allies had no aircraft that could match it until 1943.
These warplanes played vital roles in a sweeping Japanese offensive that got under way in December 1941. On December 7, a fleet of six aircraft carriers struck Pearl Harbor, a major U.S. naval base. The attack delivered a heavy blow against the Pacific Fleet and led the next day to a declaration of war against Japan.
Hours after the attack on Pearl Harbor, a land-based force of Mitsubishi Nells and Bettys, escorted by Zeroes, struck U.S. airfields in the Philippines. The Zeroes did particular damage, firing at parked aircraft with their guns. The Japanese destroyed more than 100 U.S. warplanes. The American forces never recovered, as Japan invaded the main island of Luzon. The defeat that followed was one of the most bitter in American history.
Then came the turn of the British. They held a vital naval base at Singapore and sought to reinforce it by sending the battleship Prince of Wales and the battle cruiser Repulse. A large force of Nells and Bettys caught them in the open and bombed them. Japanese torpedo planes finished them off, with 14 torpedoes striking the Repulse and seven hitting the Wales.
General Sir Alan Brooke, chief of Britain's General Staff, wrote that loss of those warships meant that "from Africa eastward to America through the Indian Ocean and the Pacific, we have lost control of the sea." Singapore was Britain's key position in the Far East, but the sinking of those ships left its defenders without hope. They outnumbered the attacking Japanese, 70,000 to 35,000, but two months later this British force surrendered.
In the wake of these triumphs, Japan's empire included Southeast Asia and much of China, while extending southward toward Australia and eastward far into the Pacific. As the war continued, Mitsubishi became that nation's leading builder of aircraft engines. It ranked number two in number of aircraft produced, with the firm of Nakajima in first place, but Mitsubishi held particular strength in production of bombers.
Despite the breadth of its conquests, Japan's position was vulnerable, with its vast empire being open to counterattack. Yamamoto himself had foreseen this. Prior to the war he stated, "If I am told to fight regardless of the consequences, I shall run wild for the first six months or a year, but I have utterly no confidence for the second and third years of the fighting." He had seen what he described as "the automobile factories in Detroit and the oil fields in Texas," and he was well aware that Japan lacked such industrial strength. He knew that in a long war, the United States would mobilize this strength to build powerful weapons in numbers that Japan could not match.
Following the surrender of Japan, in 1945, American authorities broke up the zaibatsu, including Mitsubishi. These industrial combines later reorganized as corporations set up in the American style, without the family control and ownership of the prewar decades. Portions of Mitsubishi remained active in building power plants and heavy machinery, in chemicals, and in banking and overseas trade. The company also expanded into new areas, winning a strong position in electronics and in automobiles and light trucks.
However, one important industry was missing. Japan's defeat brought a shutdown in its production of aircraft. Mitsubishi went on to assemble American jet fighters, building them under license, and later supplied sections of airframe for the Boeing 767 and 777 and McDonnell Douglas MD-11 airliners. However, neither Mitsubishi nor any other Japanese company has reestablished an independent position in military aviation.
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Originally Posted by Event-Horizon
When the Evo 8 came here in the states, everyone stated how ugly it looked, how it didn't look like the 7, or how they wish it looked more like the 6. It's the same cycle right now. Some people will not like the Evo X and some will.
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Originally Posted by Arithmetic
Uh, what does this have to do with my reply? Are you sure you quoted the right person? I said I don't see mitsu here in 2031 and you gave me a college history report on them,
Apr 6, 2006, 11:28 PM
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Apr 6, 2006, 11:46 PM
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for those of you having problems just got to mistus website, we should all know where it is.
It "should" stream the video at the loading of the site....thats how i first saw it.
I just checked it and you will have to click the "play site intro" button in the bottom right corner.
It "should" stream the video at the loading of the site....thats how i first saw it.
I just checked it and you will have to click the "play site intro" button in the bottom right corner.
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Originally Posted by stealthdrive_17
mitsu might be struggling in the US but overseas, they're actually doing pretty well. well at least from what i heard.
MMC is still struggling to get buyers back in japan after that cover up scandal. Looks like japanese just don't trust mitsu and there cars. Click Here for more information on story.
Apr 7, 2006, 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Arithmetic
Mitsu is struggling everywhere except europe. Mitsu is actually doing better here than they are in japan, but that's not saying much... if anything at all.
MMC is still struggling to get buyers back in japan after that cover up scandal. Looks like japanese just don't trust mitsu and there cars. Click Here for more information on story.
MMC is still struggling to get buyers back in japan after that cover up scandal. Looks like japanese just don't trust mitsu and there cars. Click Here for more information on story.
In USA it will take a while until they will recover, current lineup won't do them any good, another thing is that Mitsubishi had high fleet sales and they want to get rid of them because they want their cars to have a higher residual value.
But they are going to be fine, afterall they have one of the largest corporations in the world backing them up, Mitsubishi Corporation.
Here is a more up to date link: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12062012/from/RL.2/
And another link:
http://www.japancorp.net/Article.Asp?Art_ID=12157
Seems as if the new Outlander is indeed an excellent design at a competetive price.
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Originally Posted by blitzkrieg79
You just gave us a link to a 2004 article. Actually from what I've heard Mitsubishi is doing very good in Europe and they are starting to pick it up in Japan (with introduction of the new Outlander which actually outsells the new Rav4 in Japan, and the new iCar). In USA they are struggling and will continue to struggle until they won't release the new Outlander, Lancer (Evo X), and Galant.
In USA it will take a while until they will recover, current lineup won't do them any good, another thing is that Mitsubishi had high fleet sales and they want to get rid of them because they want their cars to have a higher residual value.
But they are going to be fine, afterall they have one of the largest corporations in the world backing them up, Mitsubishi Corporation.
Here is a more up to date link: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12062012/from/RL.2/
And another link:
http://www.japancorp.net/Article.Asp?Art_ID=12157
Seems as if the new Outlander is indeed an excellent design at a competetive price.
In USA it will take a while until they will recover, current lineup won't do them any good, another thing is that Mitsubishi had high fleet sales and they want to get rid of them because they want their cars to have a higher residual value.
But they are going to be fine, afterall they have one of the largest corporations in the world backing them up, Mitsubishi Corporation.
Here is a more up to date link: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12062012/from/RL.2/
And another link:
http://www.japancorp.net/Article.Asp?Art_ID=12157
Seems as if the new Outlander is indeed an excellent design at a competetive price.
Mitsu will struggle here in the states because non of there lineup can compete with other manufactor cars, ie: lancer cannot compete with the civic, corrolla, sentra, mazda. Galant cannot compete with the accord, camry, altima, mazda6, sonata, charger, 300c. The eclipse had a great start in it's first few months debut, but now its starting to fall off... seems like one month it does great, next 2 months it does bad, etc. Still some people are not thrill with the looks and the heaviness of the car, and the fact you got 263hp in a FWD, good grief mistu. The evo is a niche car, (expensive) enthusiast car... it doesn't sale in high numbers at all as it's performance orintated market is such a small precentage of people. I think I read somewhere that there SUV actually sale better than there passenger cars. I actually like there SUV, good looking cars.
Yes, I know about mitsu corporation, mitsubishi is the #1 bank in japan and they have continue to fund MMC/MMNA constantly, but how long will that last? Another 25years? I know that due to the new outlander mitsubishi is making a slight comeback. I actually made a new thread a few days ago about the new outlander, giving it praise, you can see my thread here. Still, you and me both know a new outlander is gonna turn there image full to the public.
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Originally Posted by Arithmetic
You missunderstood my link. The date of the link has nothing to do with the article, as its just the posted time of the news report on there page, the actually cover-up scandal happen in 2000 and dates backto the mid- late 1980's, which has haunted MMC and it's japanese automotive service since 2000. Also, go back to my reply, ive already said they are doing good in europe... much better there than in the states or japan.
Mitsu will struggle here in the states because non of there lineup can compete with other manufactor cars, ie: lancer cannot compete with the civic, corrolla, sentra, mazda. Galant cannot compete with the accord, camry, altima, mazda6, sonata, charger, 300c. The eclipse had a great start in it's first few months debut, but now its starting to fall off... seems like one month it does great, next 2 months it does bad, etc. Still some people are not thrill with the looks and the heaviness of the car, and the fact you got 263hp in a FWD, good grief mistu. The evo is a niche car, (expensive) enthusiast car... it doesn't sale in high numbers at all as it's performance orintated market is such a small precentage of people. I think I read somewhere that there SUV actually sale better than there passenger cars. I actually like there SUV, good looking cars.
Yes, I know about mitsu corporation, mitsubishi is the #1 bank in japan and they have continue to fund MMC/MMNA constantly, but how long will that last? Another 25years? I know that due to the new outlander mitsubishi is making a slight comeback. I actually made a new thread a few days ago about the new outlander, giving it praise, you can see my thread here. Still, you and me both know a new outlander is gonna turn there image full to the public.
Mitsu will struggle here in the states because non of there lineup can compete with other manufactor cars, ie: lancer cannot compete with the civic, corrolla, sentra, mazda. Galant cannot compete with the accord, camry, altima, mazda6, sonata, charger, 300c. The eclipse had a great start in it's first few months debut, but now its starting to fall off... seems like one month it does great, next 2 months it does bad, etc. Still some people are not thrill with the looks and the heaviness of the car, and the fact you got 263hp in a FWD, good grief mistu. The evo is a niche car, (expensive) enthusiast car... it doesn't sale in high numbers at all as it's performance orintated market is such a small precentage of people. I think I read somewhere that there SUV actually sale better than there passenger cars. I actually like there SUV, good looking cars.
Yes, I know about mitsu corporation, mitsubishi is the #1 bank in japan and they have continue to fund MMC/MMNA constantly, but how long will that last? Another 25years? I know that due to the new outlander mitsubishi is making a slight comeback. I actually made a new thread a few days ago about the new outlander, giving it praise, you can see my thread here. Still, you and me both know a new outlander is gonna turn there image full to the public.
Mitsubishi will be fine now that they are not under the Daimler-Chrysler hands, and whoever was responsible for designs of the current Galant, Outlander, and new Eclipse should be shoot. Galant had a good thing going with its euro look in 1999-2003, they should have evolved from that shape, but they decided to Americanize it, make it big heavy bloated, same thing with Eclipse.
I think that Mitsubishi in US will start to gain momentum with the introduction of new Outlander which is a tottally fresh new design that doesn't look like any current Mitsubishi in US lineup.
And Mitsubishi Corporation is afterall a Japanese company, and Japanese people, unlike most other nations, have something called pride and it's not only about a dollar but about families and places to work, it's a more disciplined culture.
EDIT: Now that I am finally ome I can add to the post. You were saying how Mitsubishi was doing bad except for Europe, I gave you links to show that Mitsubishi is starting to turn around. You said that they were doing even worse in Japan than in USA but that is untrue, they actually had a sales rise of over 25% which I think is very good. US market will probably see numbers grow but after Mitsu will release the new models with fresh new euro-styling.
And about Mitsu and scandals, every company covers things up, the unlucky ones get caught. But people tend to forgive, especially when you release good looking products at cometetive prices, best example, the new Outlander and iCar in Japan, which so far is a big success. Outlander for the past few months is actually the best selling SUV in Japan and that is saying something. Mitsubishi is on the right track.
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