thats called being a moron..while he was in the truck?
You know even if that happens he should of had the e brake on before starting..that should always be the last thing you do before taking off anyways for safety..that moron should of had it in neutral with the ebrake still on...thats just one of those freak accidents that could of been prevented in the first place

 

right...but how many manual cars have u ever seen with a clutchless start? u dont think just because it has a button it doesnt need the clutch to be pushed in do you?

mike

 

and all of those I have seen you still have to push in the clutch if it has one.

I just don't think you should say it is easier on the car and have no reasoning or proof for it. My reasoning is it is more weight and friction for the starter to have to turn when cranking. Which isn't easier on anything.

 

I am just curious b/c I don't know, but what extra is it going to have to turn if the car is in neutral? Does it really serve a purpose to have the clutch in when starting a car besides making sure it is not in gear? Anyone with some knowledge on this would be great. I had remote start on my civic and never had a problem with the starter.

 

It turns the input shaft into the trans. whether the car is in gear or not as long as the clutch is out.

I'm not saying that it is going to XX amount of life off your starter because it has to get some extra parts/weight rotating. Hell, for all we know there could be enough residual pressure left on the clutch plate that the input shaft turns whether the clutch is in or out when starting if the car is neutral. I'm just saying that there is no logical basis for stating starting with the clutch out is easier on the car as the thread starter originally posted.

 

i'm not clainming to be an expert so this is just a general comment.. but if it was that easy to make a clutchless start, wouldnt mitsubishi engineers designed the evo with that feature? (minus their budget & etc.)..

also, would this defeat the purpose of using an anti-theft device like an Autolock on one's clutch?.. in order to deter car theft, if the theif can't remove the Autolock from the Clutch pedal then they wont be able to push down the clutch to start the car.. then again people say that its possible to bend the Autolock.. or they can again they can just tow/push your car away

sorry if i seemed to move onto a tangent, but just throwing stuff out

 

The problem i believe is liability...like everyone else has said...u CAN start it in gear and unwanted things may occur. mitsu doesnt want that liability nor does any other car manufacturer for that matter. I know that most places will not even install remote car starters on manual cars with the clutch switch removed just because of the fact that if u leave it in gear the car will move and some remote starters will try to start the car repeatedly after failed attempts...so unknowingly one could think they were starting their car and have it slowly inching into their garage door etc...

 

First of all, you should think before you do any modifications and think before you claim that it would be "alot easier on the car." Other than the obvious safety issues already cited, no clutch starting may even be harder on the starter and the transmission.

 

It is obviously an American thing, all my cars I owned in the UK never needed you to put your foot on the clutch to start the car.
So you can imagine my shock when I drove my first stick over here and tried to start the car without the clutch pushed in, and to this day I still think it is stupid, having to push the clutch in first and then turn the ignition, but I haven't disengaged the sensor on my vehicles, cause if you do have an accident then the insurance could deny your claims

there is no loading on the engine with clutch pushed in or not, it is just a safety feature so you don't accidently start your car in gear.
I am still in the habit now of making sure the car is in Neutral, the only time I would leave it in gear is when parked on a hill, with the handbrake applied, I always apply the handbrake even here in flat a s s Florida and on even an Automatic car.
The reason behind leaving car in gear on a hill is if the handbrake cable ever broke, you'd still have the car relatively secure.
You can disengage the clutch sensor and you'll be fine.
like everyone else has said be careful

 

i'm guessing he ment its easier on the car since there would be less clutch pedal wear since you wouldn't have to push it down everytime to start it.

i definintely won't disable mine.

 

+1

All the car I drove in Asia do not have that feature. That is why I have a habit of making sure the car is in neautal before turning the key.

 

This is the first mod I've on any of the DSMs I've owned, the Evo included. I unplugged the clutch engagement switch on my Evo before I fired it up to drive it off the lot when I bought it new. By not depressing the clutch when the motor is off you avoid putting pressure on the crankshaft and surrounding bearings when there is no oil circulation. This is most important on 7-bolt old school DSMs (92.5-99 cars) with a heavy pressure plate that puts lots of pressure on those engine parts as it can accelerate crankwalk, a condition notorious on those motors. It's not a problem to get in the car and give the shifter a wiggle to be sure it's in neutral before you turn the key and it's just another little thing you can do to be nice to your Evo.

Tom

 

so this is plug is somewhere behind the clutch pedal? i want to try this out for a couple days.

 

It could be tied to the dreaded crankwalk phenomenon, too. 2Gen DSM owners used to do this mod because it was thought that by engaging the clutch while starting the car it would put undue stress on the crank, prematurely wearing the bearings out because of lack of lubrication (since the car wasn't on and the oil pump isn't running at that time). They also got in the habit of sitting with the car in neutral and the clutch out when sitting at a stoplight, instead of in gear with the clutch depressed.

Easy mod? Yes. Necessary? No. Will it help with the longevity of your drivetrain? Who knows. I'm not a mechanical engineer. YMMV.

 

On my IX, there is actually two clutch switches under the dash. One at the bottom, and one at the top. With the clutch not pushed in, and the bottom switch unplugged, the car will start whether it be in gear or not. If you look at this two wire setup, (mine was green and red wire) they seem to run off of each other. Since the top switch is plugged in and with the clutch out the switch at the top seems to be connected, allowing you to start it without the clutch in.

So, just disconnect the bottom switch and it will start fine. Some words of wisdom, if you have the habit of leaving your car in gear, i would suggest not to do this. If you are one that puts it in gear, and want to do remote start, i would suggest putting in a mercury switch by the shifter so that if it is in gear it won't start. Be concerned with first and reverse, make sure it locks out those. 2nd and higher will stall the car out before it goes anywhere.

Again, i don't suggest doing it, i have it on mine, remotestart/turbo timer in the same brain, that's why i did it. I also had 2 cars before this that were manual with remote start, so i have had the habit of leaving it in neutral for 5 years now.