ehh, I think the biggest change in the 1996 300zx TT was OBDII (all previous Z's had OBDI which was much more modable). But all evo's use OBDII software so thats not something to worry about.

I also cant agree with you just because of how awsome and modable the 9's are. Time and time again they make the kind of HP that 8's need cams for.

 

Well, I know Nissan called them all 300hp cars (320 was a mistake I made, thinking they got an hp bump midcycle like the Supra and 3000GT did) however, I have heard the '96 was less powerful. How can you take away something as essential as VVT and expect to maintain power especially under more stringent emissions requirements?

It is still a 4G63. It is still one of the world's most popular tuner cars. It still has hella smart people working round the clock all over the world to make them faster.

You are using your opinion to predict the future and stating it as fact. To say the car is just a "gap filler" implies it brings nothing new to the table as far as performance is concerned. It may not be as big a change from III to IV, or VI to VII, but so what? There were baby steps between several other Evo models as well.

 

I never stated it as fact you just read into it as such. It has always just been my opinion. BTW, There are a lot of differences between the EVO9's 4G63 and an VIII's. More than MIVEC....

I bet you that I will be spot on in my opinions. BTW, you seem to be reading way to far into my analysis and completely missing the point that I am trying to make. Have I not articulated myself clearly enough for you?

Right now the 9 is the sh$t, stock for stock. But when the EVOX comes with a completely new engine I think that the EVO9 will lose the support of the aftermarket. If I were a tuner and had to choose were to put my money I wouldn't invest it into 1 year that was different than the rest. I would continue with the well proven VII and VIII and move on to the X.

-Nate

 

I just put a deposit on a new RS and they told me they could get me any EVO I wanted... better call some other dealerships before you believe the bs that some will give you because they can't get something.

 

All evos will lose value when the 10 comes out.....thats what happens when any car gets a new body style.....all of the people that think that evo 9's are going to be some miracle car that sustains its brand new price over time are delusional.....

The ONLY car recently that has done something even remotely similar is the Integra Type-R.....and that is only because it was a limited numbered car with number plates.....

I bought my ITR new in 2001 for 27K and even with 20,000 miles on it and four years later people were still getting 23-24K for them.....1997 Type-R's with less than 1000 miles sold for 24K last year.....

The evo simply has too many out there to become one of these rare vehicles that maintain value.....

As far as the 8 being worth more than the 9.......pfffft 9 surpasses the 8 in every category from interior...to the turbo....to the engine itself

 

get a evo 9 first mod should be transfer case to TRE :-d

 

There's low mileage 8's all over ebay all going for under 23... so they aren't worth more for sure.

 

Hey is it true the IX's TC is weaker? my cousin just blowed his TC with only 11K miles on his car! (yes he knows how to drive, his previous car was a 94 TSI AWD.) Seems to see more and more blown TC on the IXs nowadays.

 

Who said that the 8 was worth the same amount as the 9????? Are you reading the same thread, just curious, I didn't see what you were talking about.

Stock for stock the 9 out performs the 8 but after a new turbo and cams they are back in the same league. So unless you are staying stock then buy the 8. If you like the interior that much then buy it off of a wrecked one. There will be plenty believe me.

-Nate

 

hahaha who the heck plans on staying stock after they get an evo???

ehh... nm i been running stock for almost 3 months.... but not plannin to stay stock.

 

What are these "lots of differences". The cylinder head design was imporved for better cooling and it has MIVEC. That's it. The turbo changed, but that's not part of the engine, and almost every Evo has a slightly different turbo then the one before it.

No. Because it doesn't make any sense. I see no parrallels between the '96 300ZX and the '06 Evo IX. None whatsoever. One was a crippled car on its way out of production that performed worse then the ones before it and at the time there were no plans to replace it in this country. The other is currently the best Evo that can be bought and there are plans for a new model designed to be better then it. Just because it isn't possible for AMS or somebody to build a 1000whp IX because standalones don't work with yet doesn't make the IX a gap filler car. Mitsubishi doesn't build their cars for the aftermarket tuners, they build them to be the best stock, or with mild bolt ons as we see in the FQ series. It just happens to work out well that the cars become aftermarket demons with crazy horsepower. The cars we get are compromised some for emissions and US regs, but I imagine a car like an FQ320 with a tuned Ralliart ECU and mild bolt ons is the well balanced machine Mitsubishi really wants the Evo to be, and the changes they made to IX make it even better.

 

I think all he is saying is that if the X comes out soon, the IX is at risk of not having a fully developed aftermarket base, or less than that of the VIII and dsm's. You said it yourself, standalones arent available yet, and if the X comes out, some companies that have options available for the VIII might never bring something to market and just start development on the X. Cams for the IX are still very expensive, and might always be expensive if companies like HKS, Buddy Club, Comp, Jun, etc dont bring a product to the market to drive down price. A lot of companies were working on many products for the VIII long after the IX came out, and still are. And I'm sure the top JDM companies are going to race to be first to market on a lot of the typical aftermarket componenets for the X.

The IX is a better machine. And it will have products to support it. It just may (nothing is for sure) not have the full barrage of support that the VIII's did that facilitate low prices and many options.

 

You are going to feel not so smart when the X comes out with only a slightly changed version of the 9 engine. ... It is called the Evolution after all. I do however agree that it is smart to not move from the 8 to the 9 just due to common sense... the cars are very close to each other in performance. And boy am I ever having problems getting parts for my 9 which is soooo different.

 

And I understand that. But there is a lot of area between what you are saying and what he is. So what if cams stay expensive? So what if there never is a standalaone? If no one can ever build a 800WHP+ example, that means the car is a failure in some way? JUN has a 500whp+ example right now IIRC. Cams are expensive for a lot of cars, we are just lucky that 5-600 is all it takes for most of ours, it doesn't make it gospel or set in stone that its supposed to be that way. Again, the '96 Z does not have the clout the IX does.

For me, I think having a 400whp machine that is as docile as a stock car with a quick spooling turbo is a great acomplishment. And if I owned a IX and knew that I'd never have the cool factor of being able to shell out 3 grand for a standalone so I could run a GT42 would not keep me up at night. Because I'm not going to do it with my '05. If I wanted to do that I'd buy a used repo'd '03 from an auction, gut it - and go drag racing. I don't know of any fast evos with ACD. So I guess maybe '05's are stop gap filler too, right? What about AYC? More filler I guess.

Mitsubishi does not build cars for the aftermarket. The target for the EVO X is to beat the EVO IX, that is all.

 

Actually, I disagree with this thinking. The Evo9 was more than just a gap filler... it is the highest refined version of the current platform. They have made numerous improvements to it over the VIII. The current platform has years of aftermarket modding, tuning, and experience to go with it and the IX is the pinacle of this platform.

I have no doubt the X will be great. However, its a new car from the ground up. There is no aftermarket for it, no vast amounts of experience in modding and tuning it.... etc etc. It is also rumor'd that it will cost significantly more. I bought the IX specifically because of this.