Okay seriously.... You have stated this earlier to me... How could this narrow it down to the clutch disc.?.? The clutch disc is not distorted. The tranny never hung off the engine/splines on the disc. I used a tranny jack so when i was installing it i got it aligned and it went right in.... Its not my first clutch install. Jon knows this. I have been ordering parts from him for the last 4 years and i have done several of other clutch installs on evos within the last 2 years. Just never installed a new tranny on any evo. As for other makes/models i have. But never had any questions. Never had a new or rebuilt tranny from Jon.. In the past i have just ordered misc parts.. Like synchros, gears etc...

 

Sorry... at least discs hanging. Why is anyones guess at this point. However I believe TRE machines the splines a bit to prevent this. Point is, NO ONE WILL KNOW WITH OUT PULLING THE TRANNY... so don't get all offended. Don't go pointing fingers. You have done as much as can be done without getting back into it.

 

im not point fingers. Just look at it from my shoes.. You spend $5,600.00 and wonder why its worse than the one i took out. I just am trying to figure this out. Im not dumb when it comes to cars. I work on them daily and this is what pays the bills. I just am up for any suggestions to what i should try next. I dont want to pull the tranny if there is something else i can try first. The slave and master seem to be fine...No leaking and the slave cylinder seems to have plenty of travel. And the adjustment is at least 3" off the floor when it engauges. Tonight after work i bled the system out again. I didnt get any air at all. Should i make a new rod... I was thinking about making a new slave cylinder rod. But that would be doing the same thing as adjusting the clutch. But maybe i have a issue where nobody has seen before and it may even help me out cause i was thinking that adjusting the clutch still wasnt applying enough pressure. I'm just lost... and i dont want to have to put this off on Jon cause i have faith in his work but sometime we as people in business for themselves have things that go bad or not just as they should be. I Changed out the fluid again tonight and after my last post i went out for a drive around town for about 10 miles and still no difference. And what gets me is i can shift from 3-4 and be perfect..and 4-5 and be perfect... also i can downshift one gear from any gear and not have any issues either. The only think i noticed from swapping the tranny, t-case from the stock is at idle i have more tranny noise, more decel noise, and it seems to have a louder whine at low rpm's then the stock did. But Jon informed me that this is something that may always be there and its nothing to worry about. I dont know if this has anything to do with my issues or not. The stock tranny had the same noises but seemed to shift better from 1-2 and 3-4. so have any suggestions?a

 

UPDATE::: i just went and tested something. I got a prybar and pushed the clutch pedal down, moved the seat forward to hold it to the floor and then went under the hood to verify that the clutch slave was pushing the clutch fork all the way over. And it is... i used another prybar to see if i could move it and no luck.. Also another thought that came to mind "keeping all possiblities open" if the clutch disc was warpped or damaged wouldnt i be having the same issues in all gears? And wouldnt i have a chatter or pulsation when taking off out of first gear? I dont have either of them. errr.... i dunno. i just want my car to shift correctly.

 

yes, if the disk was warped it would act the same in all gears. It is a common thread to all your grears.

 

I am sorry to be the bearer of BAD news, but you will have to take the tranny out again to pinpoint your problem. You could have spent 10 grand, but if you installed it incorrectly it will still have issues.

 

how will taking it out pinpoint my problem? If i had installed everything correctly then wouldnt it be an internal issue? If so then that would be someone elses issue? It went together smoothly... Its not my first bike ride... lol.. i just dont get it.

 

So by your statement you are saying the CC clutch you installed is 100% perfect?

 

I am saying by visually looking at it and the box it came in there was no reason to say it was or is damaged. As for installing it. I know i installed it correctly. I know that i did not damage anything. As for it being defective.. sure its possible. But highly unlikely. But possible. Just like about anything....Possible.

 

EiEVO,

My point was that you DO seem to be a smart guy, and you HAVE seemed to have explored all the avenues to find external problems. Which in turn only leaves a few options. Yes, it very well may be an internal issue, and it may not be related at all. However, with all the work you have done, I only see the clutch and the tranny left as possible culprits. There have been many clutch issues, whether it be install or manufacturing issues, reported. There have been very few actual TRE reworked Evo tranny issues reported. It is a simple process of elimination, and you about have it narrowed down to the minimum at this point.

To counter Cajun Power's point... that is true academically. However, in one instance of a warped Evo clutch disc, I could not understand how it could be an intermittent problem if it were in fact the disc. When I pulled it, low and behold, it was so warped that the clutch material/flywheel were not even worn on the inside closest to the shaft. I kept asking myself how could this be intermittent. Well, it can't per se. However, have you ever smoothly clutch-less shifted cars under light to moderate load? I'm sure most of us have. I then theorized that in fact what was thought was "intermittent", was actually not so, but masked by the syncros.

Now my old bones hurt, and I'm way past my bed time... I wish you luck in finding your problem and sorting it out.

 

Possible. And i appreciate your input. I am just looking for another suggestion to come out of the BLUE... I guess. I just wanted to find the answer to my issues and i was hoping that it maybe was something i havent thought of or heard of before. But i am finding out that i will have to pull the tranny to see if there is a issue with the mating surface or not. I just dread the thought of doing so and not finding any flaws or issues. Cause then while its out it will be sent back to jon. And that means it will be down and taking up space at my shop. . errr..... well i may just have a great time on my weekend off pulling it out tomorrow. But i may just wait to see if i have any other suggestions before i jump too soon.

Thanks.

 

Hate to bring up a old topic but....

I took jons advice after talking with him on the phone for about 45 minutes and i put a NEW ACT STREET CLUTCH AND FLYWHEEL IN... Still same problems. I even drove it a few hundred miles on Redline and BG fluids. Neither of them helped. So I havent been driving the evo lately... It now has close to 2,500 miles on it and its still the same as it was... maybe a little worse. He told me via PM that he would take care of me no matter what and even if it was a long period of time after i purchased the tranny, t-case and lsd from him. Well its to the point i have tried a b&m shifter and a stock one. With a new plastic retaining holder from mitsu. Still the same issues. I honestly believe i have a defective transmission. I have tried aftermarket brass under hood bushings, stock bushings, and even a new front motor mount. I have tried to adjust my ingalls stiffy in both directions and got tried the stock mitsu hard clutch line and a stainless hose as well. I have no other options. I have spent roughly $7000.00 now and still have a rough shifting transmission that is more difficult to use than the stock one i had in the first place. I dont know what to do or think at this point but i am ready for some options or ideas. The car has been parked and i have tried to not start a bad relationship between jon and i being i have sent him a lot of business but right is right and wrong is wrong. I just want to be able to justify the money i have spent for what i got. And i am not eye to eye with it.

Anyone?

 

Without driving your car I don't think anyone can help you. Obviously the tranny "works"... but not as smoothly as you'd like. It sounds like your expectations may have been higher than the product could satisfy. Why would you swap out a perfectly good tranny in the first place? Did you consider that maybe the modifications that make that transmission stronger than a stock one could provide a little more resistance while shifting? It sounds to me like you spent a lot of money on somthing that you didnt need and perhaps are feeling a little buyers remorse.

 

As for replacing the tranny in the first place. It had a 1-2 grind/ and a 3-4 grind. Not trerribly bad but it wasnt right. So this is why i replaced it. Yes my expectations are fairly high being these were brand new parts and suppose to have the TSB's done. Not to mention that TRE had made them stronger. I did take in consideration that the tranny may have more resistance. And resistance in perfectly fine... But grinding and being more notchy than the stock tranny is not "in my book". Buyers remorse... Im not some 17 year old kid that spent all my college fund or my parents money to make this purchase. I knew the value of the first $5,050.00 that i sent Jon and i expected the value of the parts to meet the quality of oem if not more. I gave it time, and i respected the tranny and t-case just as if i was holding the cash in my hands. I have done several of clutch installs on customers evos and i know each and every move to doing the detailed swap. I have a huge shop and i have the quality "snap-on & mac" tools to the the job fully and propperly. All i was asking from anyone is their opinion of what my next move or action to take towards jon and if anyone else has had any type of similar experience as i.

 

Oh, and to answer you. Yes the tranny works. I could drive it anywhere if i had to. But when it doesnt shift without feeling a grab or catch before going into gear it raises questions. Now it doesn persay "Grind".. Its hard to describe; it just catches. "its as if you can feel the components align up before they mesh together.