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Old Nov 6, 2006 | 02:23 PM
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Agree, there is a lot of strategy involved in real drag racing. I can't believe you'd say otherwise if you "build" an 8-sec DSM. From staging on a pro tree (difficult and the difference between winning and losing) in heads up to dialing in and knowing what to do at the end of the track or how to cut a perfect light in bracket racing, there is tons involved in terms of skill and strategy.

Yoda truly has no idea what he's talking about. And don't think I'm just a drag race monkey - it is the motorsports I participate in the least between drag, auto-x, and road racing, but I do know the skill required to be good at it...

PS. 13.4 with those mods is a clear indication of why you don't think drag racing takes skill, because you have none. I ran 13.1 completely stock on my first try.
Wow a 13.1 ! Thats awesome dude! Thats WAY better than my 13.4. You must have godlike drag skills! Who cares. Warr, your car is slow. Anyways Here is our DSM:

http://www.nofadz.com/~sonic/project2g/

This was during the build up, it now running.

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Old Nov 6, 2006 | 02:29 PM
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Track days are great!! But it puts a big hole in the pocket book...
Old Nov 6, 2006 | 02:34 PM
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I find it more exhilarating doing roadcourse than drag strips. 25mins vs. 13sec. is a no brainer to me.
Old Nov 6, 2006 | 02:50 PM
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Most prefer drag racing because they are scared of wadding up their car. I can respect that. Nobody wants to put 35K into a wall and have insurance not cover it. But drag racing is awful boring....even watching funny cars or anything else.....only interesting when **** blows up.....and thats why the hicks are there.

But I guess......ANYTHING BEATS NASCAR.....ill watch drag racing over driving in circles for 200 laps any day of the week.......I mean I know that it is a test of endurance and concentration. And being on a REAL banked turn does do weird things to your sense of balance, so I dont think its easy to do, but jeez watching it is worse then playing with the kiddie oval track electric RC cars.....going round and round....same speed.....nothing interesting.....bleh
Old Nov 6, 2006 | 02:54 PM
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road racing
Old Nov 6, 2006 | 07:33 PM
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Most prefer drag racing because they are scared of wadding up their car. I can respect that. Nobody wants to put 35K into a wall and have insurance not cover it. But drag racing is awful boring....even watching funny cars or anything else.....only interesting when **** blows up.....and thats why the hicks are there.

But I guess......ANYTHING BEATS NASCAR.....ill watch drag racing over driving in circles for 200 laps any day of the week.......I mean I know that it is a test of endurance and concentration. And being on a REAL banked turn does do weird things to your sense of balance, so I dont think its easy to do, but jeez watching it is worse then playing with the kiddie oval track electric RC cars.....going round and round....same speed.....nothing interesting.....bleh
hahaha good post
Old Nov 7, 2006 | 07:56 AM
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Old Nov 7, 2006 | 11:01 AM
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I agree with sonicnofadz ... Sorry guys but drag racing is more about mechanical prowess of the car and less about the driver. Usually the car with the better power to weight ratio wins (there are other factors too). All the driver has to do is nail the launch (which on an AWD car isn't that hard) and finally not miss a shift all the way down the strip. It takes a lot less skill to drag race than to auto-x and/or racing at the track and get good times. I mean god forbid you have to use the brake or turn the steering wheel during a drag race. It doesn't take that much skill to shift really fast. I can shift much faster than my tranny and sychro will allow me to and I believe anyone can do it.

I used to drag race on my WRX but very quickly got bored of it. 3 times at the drag strip was more than enough for me and I wasn't doing my clutch any favors. Last time I checked, you had to do all that and much more to get quick times during an auto-x course and you usually only get 4 attempt at it. People don't realize the hidden costs of Drag racing, the clutch goes out quickly, the replacement and the cost of installation add up to about the same as a couple of track days. If you are one that dumps the clutch then, the TC and tranny could also go. I'm still on the stock clutch at 35K miles and have launched my EVO over a 100 times at various auto-x courses. To each his own ....
Old Nov 7, 2006 | 11:25 AM
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Sonic - Drag Racing takes a lot of skill when done properly. Yes, a monkey could "drop the hammer" and do the same thing but said monkey wouldn't be very good either. I do understand that it takes tallent to drag race and I do know that I am not very good at it. FYI - Making generalized assumptions aren't going to get many people to see your side

Road Racing is just so exciting and the idea of running faster then some exotics is fun. My last time out at VIR (Grand Configuration) I had a ton of fun chasing a z06 and a Maseratti. On a drag strip I wouldn't touch either one. It's all skill at the track. I was damn proud of my ~3:05 laptimes on street rubber (timed by a buddy so no actual numbers)

I've also been smoked by a hoosier'd spec miata making a whopping 130hp. The difference was the driver's skill, phenominal setup and the fact that he never had to break
Old Nov 7, 2006 | 11:55 AM
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Playa, it's fine to prefer road racing, but you also are dead wrong about it being "easy" to drag race. Yeah, it may take MORE skill to be GOOD at road racing than being GOOD at drag racing, but it is absolutely untrue that it's EASY to launch an AWD car (that's a farce) or that it's EASY to shift very fast. Look at Curt Brown - no one can touch his driving ability. He accomplishes things that far more powerful cars cannot even think of accomplishing. Why? Because he is extremely skilled. Go take a gander at the drag racing forum and see how many people do terribly at the drag strip due to the launch, and if you know how to analyze timeslips, you'll see that people think they shift fast, but they really don't. Plus, you're completely ignoring the aspects of competitive drag racing. Everyone keeps talking like drag racing only entails test'n'tune nights where your R/T, dial-in, and strategy don't matter. That is just short-sighted at best.

Again, I am a huge proponent of road racing and love it way more than drag racing, but I have done enough of the main racing types (auto-x, drag, circuit, rally-x) to know that each takes a great deal of skill - different skills - and that no one is good at any of them WITHOUT skill.
Old Nov 7, 2006 | 12:15 PM
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Warr, maybe I should've re-phrased myself. I find it "easy" ... ... I'm sure its difficult to others ... It's kinda like saying, I find this differential equation easy or algorithm easy ... but then again Joe over there might think its the hardest thing he has ever had to figure out.

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Old Nov 7, 2006 | 12:23 PM
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But you say you find it easy, yet have only done it with a WRX a few times, and you didn't mention getting the best times of any WRX in the country for the mods you had. You didn't mention running 12s stock in your Evo or anything either. To call it "easy," means you have to have accomplished something amazing with ease. Just going down the strip and getting a timeslip is "easy," but doing it faster than 99% of others with the same car is NOT easy.

My first auto-x run was far easier than my first ever drag run. Same with road racing - I took to road racing like a moth to a flame - it just felt natural and awesome, whereas drag racing made me fool like a dunce. I couldn't stage properly, I had terrible reaction times, I messed up shifts due to being nervous. None of that was an issue with autocross or road racing. I still believe it takes more skill to be really good at twisty racing, but it's very rare for someone to go out to a drag strip and immediately cut 1.6 60's.
Old Nov 7, 2006 | 12:56 PM
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I agree with warr that drag racing is not as easy as people make it to be. I have only gone to the drag strip a few times with my evo with the first one being the worst to the last one being the best. Drag racing is like any type of racing, it takes skills and experience to put down good time. I may not be able to rip up high 12's with a stock IX but I have a lot of low 13's time with 1.8 60' feet consisitently, am I good...hell no i haven't even begun to be good. I found that auto-xing is a lot more natural to me, finding the line and following it through turns, getting on the brakes fast and getting back to gas pedal faster and always looking ahead, these are some of the things I learned with experience, some people may be natural at what they do but for everyone else, skills can be developed if you are determined enough to develop them.
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