300 ft lbs at the wheels dyno sheet posted 317 wheel hp
Jun 1, 2003, 12:12 PM
#76
Originally posted by vlasnos
Nice bit of attitude Al, but of course that doesn't answer the question does it? Again if the 3-5 shift in the STI is similar in ratio to the 3-4 shift in the WRX, then where is the advantage in having only 5 gears?
You need to remember that 3rd 4th 5th are just numbers attached to the gear ratios. It's the gear ratios themselves that matter.
In theory a car might have a ten speed, you might use 1 3 5 and 7 at the 1/4 mile. You might use 2,3,4,5 and 6 at an autox. You might Use 2 4 7 and 10 on the road. The 10 speed would just give you options not available on the 6 or 5 speeds.
Of course I'm being faciteous, but the point is....you have not demonstrated any disadvantage in performance inherent in a 6 speed. Heck, I don't even think you can buy a 5 speed Evo anymore, anywhere outside of the US. I think the US Evo has a 5 speed for the sole purpose of saving money for Mitsubishi. There is no performance advantage in having only 5 gears.
Nice bit of attitude Al, but of course that doesn't answer the question does it? Again if the 3-5 shift in the STI is similar in ratio to the 3-4 shift in the WRX, then where is the advantage in having only 5 gears?
You need to remember that 3rd 4th 5th are just numbers attached to the gear ratios. It's the gear ratios themselves that matter.
In theory a car might have a ten speed, you might use 1 3 5 and 7 at the 1/4 mile. You might use 2,3,4,5 and 6 at an autox. You might Use 2 4 7 and 10 on the road. The 10 speed would just give you options not available on the 6 or 5 speeds.
Of course I'm being faciteous, but the point is....you have not demonstrated any disadvantage in performance inherent in a 6 speed. Heck, I don't even think you can buy a 5 speed Evo anymore, anywhere outside of the US. I think the US Evo has a 5 speed for the sole purpose of saving money for Mitsubishi. There is no performance advantage in having only 5 gears.
Jun 1, 2003, 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by vlasnos
Nice bit of attitude Al, but of course that doesn't answer the question does it? Again if the 3-5 shift in the STI is similar in ratio to the 3-4 shift in the WRX, then where is the advantage in having only 5 gears?
In theory a car might have a ten speed, you might use 1 3 5 and 7 at the 1/4 mile. You might use 2,3,4,5 and 6 at an autox. You might Use 2 4 7 and 10 on the road. The 10 speed would just give you options not available on the 6 or 5 speeds.
Of course I'm being faciteous, but the point is....you have not demonstrated any disadvantage in performance inherent in a 6 speed. Heck, I don't even think you can buy a 5 speed Evo anymore, anywhere outside of the US.
Nice bit of attitude Al, but of course that doesn't answer the question does it? Again if the 3-5 shift in the STI is similar in ratio to the 3-4 shift in the WRX, then where is the advantage in having only 5 gears?
In theory a car might have a ten speed, you might use 1 3 5 and 7 at the 1/4 mile. You might use 2,3,4,5 and 6 at an autox. You might Use 2 4 7 and 10 on the road. The 10 speed would just give you options not available on the 6 or 5 speeds.
Of course I'm being faciteous, but the point is....you have not demonstrated any disadvantage in performance inherent in a 6 speed. Heck, I don't even think you can buy a 5 speed Evo anymore, anywhere outside of the US.
Anyway Al's own 1/4 mile times of 12.7 with 300 wheel (350+ flywheel?) horsepower have been easily equalled or surpassed by 6 speeds of similar power to weight ratio. The real concern is burning up your clutch or breaking your tranny since neither the Evo or STI tranny's are meant for drag racing to begin with.
Jun 1, 2003, 02:24 PM
#78
Originally posted by vegetta
I am beginning to think that if Al had a 10 speed bike he actually would row through the gears sequentially, and complain about how slow it is.
Anyway Al's own 1/4 mile times of 12.7 with 300 wheel (350+ flywheel?) horsepower have been easily equalled or surpassed by 6 speeds of similar power to weight ratio. The real concern is burning up your clutch or breaking your tranny since neither the Evo or STI tranny's are meant for drag racing to begin with.
I am beginning to think that if Al had a 10 speed bike he actually would row through the gears sequentially, and complain about how slow it is.
Anyway Al's own 1/4 mile times of 12.7 with 300 wheel (350+ flywheel?) horsepower have been easily equalled or surpassed by 6 speeds of similar power to weight ratio. The real concern is burning up your clutch or breaking your tranny since neither the Evo or STI tranny's are meant for drag racing to begin with.
Jun 1, 2003, 03:13 PM
#80
Originally posted by vegetta
Fair enough. But probably you should try it too Al. And if you haven't driven the USDM ratios and engines then you haven't either.
Fair enough. But probably you should try it too Al. And if you haven't driven the USDM ratios and engines then you haven't either.
Jun 1, 2003, 06:43 PM
#82
Originally posted by nykwan
Listen.... truce time. I didn't mean to sound like I was attacking you or the Neon SRT. I apologize. I have been looking at differences btwn the STi and Evo since I am still very undecided. Considering that they are supposed to be very close competitors, I was pointing out the price difference that I don't see mentioned much on either set of forums. And I just took your post to be one of those 'Why buy that $30k car, I could buy a used Civic for $5000 and use the extra $25k and smoke it".
Listen.... truce time. I didn't mean to sound like I was attacking you or the Neon SRT. I apologize. I have been looking at differences btwn the STi and Evo since I am still very undecided. Considering that they are supposed to be very close competitors, I was pointing out the price difference that I don't see mentioned much on either set of forums. And I just took your post to be one of those 'Why buy that $30k car, I could buy a used Civic for $5000 and use the extra $25k and smoke it".
I find myself getting overly sensitive to all the comparisons focused on 1/4 mile performance and time slips. These cars are so much more than that. It's great to see the Auto-X results and to hear from people who have been able to get on a road course with the car.
Good luck with your decision. You can't go wrong with either car.
BTW I'm 48.
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