Hanzo

I had a white STI with gold wheels on order as well but I went with a white EVO instead. Reason being, power is useless without control.

Fireball

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You know, this is probably one of the single best comments I've read about, giving a easy, quick comparison of the Evo vs the STi.

Congratz man, you made my sig.

crap_shoot

I think the STi has plenty of control. I haven't driven it, but from the various reviews, it only has handling "issues" when it's trying to follow the Evo through a turn. I think either car, taken on it's own, will have superb handling. This is especially true if we're talking about public roads.

I personally would never pay over MSRP for any car, no matter how it holds up to it's competition. If you're on the fence, and you can get the Evo for MSRP or below, I think you know what to do.

xfactor834

You may wanna thank Pirelli for that. It was their quote: "Power is nothing without control".

Also, the STi by itself is an amazingly well-balanced car. Only when compared to the Evo is its habit for mild understeering exposed.

I still respect both cars greatly. It's just ashame that we get greedy little *****es for dealerships here in SoCal.

zx6r

Yeah, it's the Evo situation all over again.

Hasn't anyone on nasoic started a boycott list like coolguy's yet ? Might help.

Diesel

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you guys act like the STi is some overweight, no steering pig... i personally chose the EVO simply over the looks cause the cars are really so close together as fas as performance...

don't go through life wearing blinder people...

xfactor834

********5-29-03********

Ok, so I just went this morning to Big Valley Subaru to change the oil in my WRX, and after that I drove to Miller Mitsubishi (never been there before).

They had a yellow Evo in the showroom with the hood up, so I sat inside of it (first time), and the Recaros are simply sublime...I've never sat in more tight, hugging seats. The steering wheel felt really good too...nice and small.

As I was examining it, a salesman opens the door and sits next to me, trying to sell it. No offense to him (Vincent Curto), but he knew NOTHING about the car.

Him: Don't let the 4 doors fool you. This is a serious car.
Me: I know.
Him: See that button over there (FMIC spray)?
Me: Yeah.
Him: This car has a big "coolant". You just press that button.
Me: I know.
Him: If a car has this many vents, you know it's for real.
Me: Sure, I know.
Him: From the, uh, big red brakes......
Me: You mean Brembos?
Him: Yeah, yeah...to the...uh...special tires...the uh....Mich...uh...
Me: Advans?
Him: Yeah, yeah! Everything is functional.....even this big wing.
Me: I know. So what's your price?
Him: Hmmm, let's see....$41,000

Me: (literally laughing out loud) And how does that add up? Actually wait, what's your markup?
Him: $9,995
Me: (laughing again)...so we're pretty much in Porsche Boxster territory...
Him: How much are you willing to pay?
Me: $29,000. It's a beautiful car, but it's not worth $41,000 to me.
Him: So you're telling me if I can give you this car for $29K, you're buying it?
Me: Yeah, only if I don't get my STi first.

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I know you guys said talk to Adam, but I just wanted to get a feel for the car first. Again, no offense to Vincent, but he knew nothing, and it demeans the customer when you start talking about a $10,000 markup. That's ridiculous. On his business card it says he is the former WBF Cruiser Weight Champ.

Oh well, he may be. But I know more about the car than he does, and he's supposed to sell it to me.

cky3396

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haha that is really funny stuff.... it's sad, but funny.

you'll get it for what you want, dont worry

Erik@MIL.SPEC

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Sounds like the former boxer is trying to beat you up with a $10,000 mark-up.

Diesel

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what an idiot... most car salesmen have no ****ing clue what they are talking about...

Hanzo

$41000!!! just buy a JDM EVO VIII from Evolutionimports.com for $37000.

Nightfall

very, VERY sad yeah id just get a friggin JDM evo VIII at evolution imports for that money

crap_shoot

I'll bet both Mitsubishi and Subaru dealers are getting bombarded with comments from "lay people" (read: uninformed car buyers seeing Evo or STi for first time) about how ugly the wing is. Every sales person I've spoken with about these cars mentions the wing is "functional". It's like they went to a seminar on how to make excuses for the wing.

Even the woman at the Scooby display at the NY Auto Show, after my talking to her for a few minutes about all of the specs of the car (I knew far more than she did), I told her I wish the wing was an option. What did she say, you guessed it, "It's functional. Everything on this car is functional."

IMHO this car will be a tough sell to anyone who doesn't already know about it, and who doesn't already recognize the wing's "function".

sblvro

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I think it was the jensen stereo that broke the camels back and that is why he chose the evo over the sti. the wing functions as roll bar in case of a rollover-functional!