Chalk it up on the board full of these. Another statistic I guess.
Apr 16, 2007, 08:30 AM
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This may sound silly but play GT4. Turn of stability management, traction control, use simulation tires or stock, and tune the car to about 350-400 hp. Try this again in the game and there is a high probability that you will loose traction and spin the car in an attempt to correct it. The game does this well but it obviously lacks the forces and adrenaline you experience in real life. Drive Safe and good luck.
Apr 16, 2007, 08:33 AM
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This may sound silly but play GT4. Turn of stability management, traction control, use simulation tires or stock, and tune the car to about 350-400 hp. Try this again in the game and there is a high probability that you will loose traction and spin the car in an attempt to correct it. The game does this well but it obviously lacks the forces and adrenaline you experience in real life. Drive Safe and good luck.
Apr 16, 2007, 08:34 AM
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good point someone else brought up about your experience with AWD vehicles...what were your previous cars FF,FR, etc?
what you precieve as driving under your evo's limit doesn't matter when something like a freak act by nature decides to upset your vehicles balance
the key thing you missed that a few ppl have posted already was you naturally panicked and braked/counter steered
weight transfer
as soon as you left off the gas and hit the brakes all the weight from the rear shifted to your front...hence your rear shook it's butt...and the same time you turned the wheel
as soon as you did that the only way you were going to make it out of the skid was to unwind the wheel even faster than what you initially inputted...which most ppl aren't ready/anticipating this next move hence you spun into the direction of your counter steer
that's why you brake in a straight line...keep the wheel straight
next time point (where you want to go with the steering wheel) and shoot (stay on the gas) if you feel the rear end come loose
learn from this...come back stronger
what you precieve as driving under your evo's limit doesn't matter when something like a freak act by nature decides to upset your vehicles balance
the key thing you missed that a few ppl have posted already was you naturally panicked and braked/counter steered
weight transfer
as soon as you left off the gas and hit the brakes all the weight from the rear shifted to your front...hence your rear shook it's butt...and the same time you turned the wheel
as soon as you did that the only way you were going to make it out of the skid was to unwind the wheel even faster than what you initially inputted...which most ppl aren't ready/anticipating this next move hence you spun into the direction of your counter steer
that's why you brake in a straight line...keep the wheel straight
next time point (where you want to go with the steering wheel) and shoot (stay on the gas) if you feel the rear end come loose
learn from this...come back stronger
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Apr 16, 2007, 09:13 AM
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I can fully sympathize with the OP and some of the admonishments from the more experienced responders in this thread.
I wrecked mine 3 weeks and 600 miles into the break-in. No hard driving, nice sweeping left-hander, down-hill, a bit off camber, and the rear stepped out, maybe a few feet. This was enough to drop the rear-right into the dirt. Counter-steering the step-out, the RR whipped back onto the tarmac and *hooked-up*. This pushed the car into a nice four-wheel slide, pretty much negating the counter-steer since my slip-angle instantly changed.
If I was on a track with 50-60' side-to-side, I think I could've saved this. As it were, I couldn't steer into the direction of the slide fast enough, and I definitely did not have enough room on the two-laner to adequately correct before I hit a dirt berm, side-swiped 300+yr oak, and slid down the gorge to finally stop against a fallen tree.
Geico totalled and got me a pretty fair settlement. I was out the $5k I put down, and I count my blessings. Photos.
Two weeks later, I'm in my new IX and have a HPDE (in the wet!) under my belt, and I don't carry nearly as much speed into those sweeping off-cambers.
My lesson: HPDE, auto-X, or some sort of formal driving training in the car is an absolute necessity for anyone who wants to explore the lateral-g limits.
Lesson 2: evos are set up to understeer from the factory - great for newish drivers who sometimes creep over the limits of their ability. Not so great when you're being whipped around by the rears.
I wrecked mine 3 weeks and 600 miles into the break-in. No hard driving, nice sweeping left-hander, down-hill, a bit off camber, and the rear stepped out, maybe a few feet. This was enough to drop the rear-right into the dirt. Counter-steering the step-out, the RR whipped back onto the tarmac and *hooked-up*. This pushed the car into a nice four-wheel slide, pretty much negating the counter-steer since my slip-angle instantly changed.
If I was on a track with 50-60' side-to-side, I think I could've saved this. As it were, I couldn't steer into the direction of the slide fast enough, and I definitely did not have enough room on the two-laner to adequately correct before I hit a dirt berm, side-swiped 300+yr oak, and slid down the gorge to finally stop against a fallen tree.
Geico totalled and got me a pretty fair settlement. I was out the $5k I put down, and I count my blessings. Photos.
Two weeks later, I'm in my new IX and have a HPDE (in the wet!) under my belt, and I don't carry nearly as much speed into those sweeping off-cambers.
My lesson: HPDE, auto-X, or some sort of formal driving training in the car is an absolute necessity for anyone who wants to explore the lateral-g limits.
Lesson 2: evos are set up to understeer from the factory - great for newish drivers who sometimes creep over the limits of their ability. Not so great when you're being whipped around by the rears.
Apr 16, 2007, 10:20 AM
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In reply to some of the questions about how much I've been driving and what I've driven:
I've been on the road for 3 years. 2 of them in a mildly-modified Cavalier (FWD, about 180 hp), and 1 of them in an SRT-4 (FWD, 280 hp, loads of torque that came on really early in revs (300-310 ftlbs or so).
The Evo was my first AWD car, and the fastest car I've driven in terms of upper-revving horsepower - but I am no stranger to alot of torque, because my SRT-4 was a torque monster any day of the week, and it was FWD. Now, I'd assume that saying "Oh I've pushed a fast FWD car before with alot of torque, so if I push a fast AWD car, it'll be easier" but from what I'm reading from some of you guys' replies, this isn't always the case. Not only isn't it easier - its a completely different driving experience - and I think this wreck has definitely opened my eyes to that. Regardless of whether or not I was trying to "fast and furious" tokyo drift the turn - which I wasn't - being inexperienced with an AWD car with plenty of early-come-on torque put me in the woods.
I knew before and after some techniques on how to correct the car (from reading on these boards, playing GT4, etc) but during the heat of the moment and my loads of adrenaline and stress, I was unable to keep composure enough to make good decisions, and I think I can attribute this entirely to inexperience and the lack of a formal driving school, which I will definitely be looking into.
I appreciate the comments guys for those of you who are taking the time to read the post and make some really constructive replies - its good to see we've got some cool *** people on these boards.
I've been on the road for 3 years. 2 of them in a mildly-modified Cavalier (FWD, about 180 hp), and 1 of them in an SRT-4 (FWD, 280 hp, loads of torque that came on really early in revs (300-310 ftlbs or so).
The Evo was my first AWD car, and the fastest car I've driven in terms of upper-revving horsepower - but I am no stranger to alot of torque, because my SRT-4 was a torque monster any day of the week, and it was FWD. Now, I'd assume that saying "Oh I've pushed a fast FWD car before with alot of torque, so if I push a fast AWD car, it'll be easier" but from what I'm reading from some of you guys' replies, this isn't always the case. Not only isn't it easier - its a completely different driving experience - and I think this wreck has definitely opened my eyes to that. Regardless of whether or not I was trying to "fast and furious" tokyo drift the turn - which I wasn't - being inexperienced with an AWD car with plenty of early-come-on torque put me in the woods.
I knew before and after some techniques on how to correct the car (from reading on these boards, playing GT4, etc) but during the heat of the moment and my loads of adrenaline and stress, I was unable to keep composure enough to make good decisions, and I think I can attribute this entirely to inexperience and the lack of a formal driving school, which I will definitely be looking into.
I appreciate the comments guys for those of you who are taking the time to read the post and make some really constructive replies - its good to see we've got some cool *** people on these boards.
Apr 16, 2007, 10:51 AM
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In reply to some of the questions about how much I've been driving and what I've driven:
I've been on the road for 3 years. 2 of them in a mildly-modified Cavalier (FWD, about 180 hp), and 1 of them in an SRT-4 (FWD, 280 hp, loads of torque that came on really early in revs (300-310 ftlbs or so).
The Evo was my first AWD car, and the fastest car I've driven in terms of upper-revving horsepower - but I am no stranger to alot of torque, because my SRT-4 was a torque monster any day of the week, and it was FWD. Now, I'd assume that saying "Oh I've pushed a fast FWD car before with alot of torque, so if I push a fast AWD car, it'll be easier" but from what I'm reading from some of you guys' replies, this isn't always the case. Not only isn't it easier - its a completely different driving experience - and I think this wreck has definitely opened my eyes to that. Regardless of whether or not I was trying to "fast and furious" tokyo drift the turn - which I wasn't - being inexperienced with an AWD car with plenty of early-come-on torque put me in the woods.
I knew before and after some techniques on how to correct the car (from reading on these boards, playing GT4, etc) but during the heat of the moment and my loads of adrenaline and stress, I was unable to keep composure enough to make good decisions, and I think I can attribute this entirely to inexperience and the lack of a formal driving school, which I will definitely be looking into.
I appreciate the comments guys for those of you who are taking the time to read the post and make some really constructive replies - its good to see we've got some cool *** people on these boards.
I've been on the road for 3 years. 2 of them in a mildly-modified Cavalier (FWD, about 180 hp), and 1 of them in an SRT-4 (FWD, 280 hp, loads of torque that came on really early in revs (300-310 ftlbs or so).
The Evo was my first AWD car, and the fastest car I've driven in terms of upper-revving horsepower - but I am no stranger to alot of torque, because my SRT-4 was a torque monster any day of the week, and it was FWD. Now, I'd assume that saying "Oh I've pushed a fast FWD car before with alot of torque, so if I push a fast AWD car, it'll be easier" but from what I'm reading from some of you guys' replies, this isn't always the case. Not only isn't it easier - its a completely different driving experience - and I think this wreck has definitely opened my eyes to that. Regardless of whether or not I was trying to "fast and furious" tokyo drift the turn - which I wasn't - being inexperienced with an AWD car with plenty of early-come-on torque put me in the woods.
I knew before and after some techniques on how to correct the car (from reading on these boards, playing GT4, etc) but during the heat of the moment and my loads of adrenaline and stress, I was unable to keep composure enough to make good decisions, and I think I can attribute this entirely to inexperience and the lack of a formal driving school, which I will definitely be looking into.
I appreciate the comments guys for those of you who are taking the time to read the post and make some really constructive replies - its good to see we've got some cool *** people on these boards.
Apr 16, 2007, 12:01 PM
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yea that's what did you in....pressing the brakes/releasing the gas induces oversteer....pressing the gas in a corner causes undeersteer...at least your ok
Apr 16, 2007, 12:55 PM
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Cool I'm glad you had something useful to say. 
You'd think that by expressing my distaste for these kinds of posts in my original post that nobody would say stuff like this, but I guess you don't care.
Oh well.
You'd think that by expressing my distaste for these kinds of posts in my original post that nobody would say stuff like this, but I guess you don't care.
Oh well.
