2.4 Evolution 9
Jun 30, 2003, 08:10 PM
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I can appreciate losing the AYC and ACD for the purpose of hitting a specific price point and improving reliability but can we at least have the same engine as the others.
I can appreciate losing the AYC and ACD for the purpose of hitting a specific price point and improving reliability but can we at least have the same engine as the others.
's loss. I kind of wished the STi to kick our buts so we get all the gizmos. Anyways, as for trans preference, stronger is better.Ralliart lancer out yet? I want to check out the evo RS. Hopefully that or the ralliart evo will not **** me off to sell my car.
2.4L I don't feel so soon. Maybe for 05 models?
Ahh, not that rallart lancer look alike. I think the majority would not go for that because the light are as ugly as subaru's.
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Jun 30, 2003, 08:19 PM
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Ehem... It makes a little sense:
1. Mitsu announces it will take a different path with the US spec Evolution than the rest of the world
2. Dodge gets Mitsu goodies on their 2.4 SRT-4 motor
3. Dodge announces they will use the Lancer chassis for the next Neon! (no word on the new SRT-4, but the rally effort supports the argument that they are going AWD)
With Dodge's partial ownership of Mitsu the mutually beneficial partnership on an SRT-4 / Evo project would make business sense and a built version of the SRT-4's 2.4L turbo could drop in as the next power-plant. I don't like the sound of that either.
Just an observer throwing in some speculation...
1. Mitsu announces it will take a different path with the US spec Evolution than the rest of the world
2. Dodge gets Mitsu goodies on their 2.4 SRT-4 motor
3. Dodge announces they will use the Lancer chassis for the next Neon! (no word on the new SRT-4, but the rally effort supports the argument that they are going AWD)
With Dodge's partial ownership of Mitsu the mutually beneficial partnership on an SRT-4 / Evo project would make business sense and a built version of the SRT-4's 2.4L turbo could drop in as the next power-plant. I don't like the sound of that either.
Just an observer throwing in some speculation...
Jun 30, 2003, 08:38 PM
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The one side benefit of a Dodge motor in the next Evo would be cheapness of parts. A friend told me earlier tonight that his SRT-4 Neon's "Mopar stage one upgrade", which consists of a reprogrammed ECU and larger injectors, retails for a whopping $400. Gotta love the cheapness of stuff like that.
Personally, I'll still be driving a 4g6x powered car, and I'd prefer that they leave the Evo that way, but if not, that's what used cars are for.
Personally, I'll still be driving a 4g6x powered car, and I'd prefer that they leave the Evo that way, but if not, that's what used cars are for.
Jun 30, 2003, 08:53 PM
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Hmm... I still don't see this happening as the evo is a rallicar first, and a street car second. Unless the rules suddenly change, it's still a 2.0 motor that we'll be getting. Besides, The evo has already proven that it doesn't need that added displacement.
Jun 30, 2003, 08:58 PM
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I'll be impressed when they can make MORE horsepower with LESS displacement. Technology today is the replacement for displacement. Making the engine bigger is just a cheap, quick, and easy way to make more power.
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Jun 30, 2003, 09:33 PM
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Not gonna happen. MMSA will never develop a motor as good as the current 4G63T that ralliart developed. MMSA has really disappointed me, especially with the Galant, one of my favourite cars; the car for the last 10 years that has looked great and original. Sadly the next Gen Galant will be channeling some Maxima, the new Diamante will be channeling some Lexus looks and the Lancer Wagon will be channeling Volvo. What's left of originality?
Just the other day I was reading a magazine and you know which car company has the most brilliant and original ideas? Alfa
Just look at all their current designs, they're fresh, original and keep to their traditional look. What has become of the other car manufacturers. Look at BMW, the new 5 series is the most disgusting pile of metal I've seen, Mercedez is struggling with their designs. Dodge is doing great though. Love the new crossfire.
Subaru has long joined the ugly cars family. Toyota has been ugly ever since the celica won the world rally championship. Honda seems eager to join the bandwagon. Seems like Mitsubishi wants to follow. Don't worry same seems to be happening for every other Japanese car manufacturer. Except Mazda, their designs are great. Mazda 6, that's what the Galant should have looked like. Mazda 3, great hatch. RX-8...For the last 10 years Galant has always had sleek thin headlights that work with the body. The new galant is nothing like it's predecessor, it looks 100% like the maxima. Looks like Mitsu organised a boost at the Nissan factory and stole couple of cars and rebadged them.
Mitsubishi Japan is doing a MUCH better job at designing cars than MMSA, the previous Galant, the 94-97 Galant, 90-93 etc etc Galants have kept with tradition, maybe it's their front lights, their grill, their nack for not disappointing buyers. Even the 97-00 Diamante looks great. Correct me if I'm wrong but the next gen galant and diamante were designed in the USA. What's next? Mitsubishi will join Nascar?
The Evolution 8 is the last bit of originality left in this dwindling car company. I support it as much as I possibly car, every car in my driveway for the last 10 years has been a Mitsubishi, I soon hope to add a Evo to the list, but if Mitsubishi keeps up it's current trend, they will surely lose a loyal fan. I guess I will look else were.
Just the other day I was reading a magazine and you know which car company has the most brilliant and original ideas? Alfa
Just look at all their current designs, they're fresh, original and keep to their traditional look. What has become of the other car manufacturers. Look at BMW, the new 5 series is the most disgusting pile of metal I've seen, Mercedez is struggling with their designs. Dodge is doing great though. Love the new crossfire.
Subaru has long joined the ugly cars family. Toyota has been ugly ever since the celica won the world rally championship. Honda seems eager to join the bandwagon. Seems like Mitsubishi wants to follow. Don't worry same seems to be happening for every other Japanese car manufacturer. Except Mazda, their designs are great. Mazda 6, that's what the Galant should have looked like. Mazda 3, great hatch. RX-8...For the last 10 years Galant has always had sleek thin headlights that work with the body. The new galant is nothing like it's predecessor, it looks 100% like the maxima. Looks like Mitsu organised a boost at the Nissan factory and stole couple of cars and rebadged them.
Mitsubishi Japan is doing a MUCH better job at designing cars than MMSA, the previous Galant, the 94-97 Galant, 90-93 etc etc Galants have kept with tradition, maybe it's their front lights, their grill, their nack for not disappointing buyers. Even the 97-00 Diamante looks great. Correct me if I'm wrong but the next gen galant and diamante were designed in the USA. What's next? Mitsubishi will join Nascar?
The Evolution 8 is the last bit of originality left in this dwindling car company. I support it as much as I possibly car, every car in my driveway for the last 10 years has been a Mitsubishi, I soon hope to add a Evo to the list, but if Mitsubishi keeps up it's current trend, they will surely lose a loyal fan. I guess I will look else were.
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Jun 30, 2003, 09:50 PM
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Originally posted by EVO SPECIALIST
[BBut the good thing is that sounds like mitsu is waking up [/B]
[BBut the good thing is that sounds like mitsu is waking up [/B]
WTF are you talking about, the 4g63 is one of the most revered inline 4's, i for one wouldent want a brand new untested engine to start building off of
also it would only be for the US market, since even if they start to use the Colt as the new WRC platform a **** load of smaller teams will still want to use the EVO and it would need to have a 2.0 stock
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Sounds good to me!
Jun 30, 2003, 11:06 PM
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Its rumored that the "real" Evo (everyone but US) and the US Evo are going to take different paths due to different markets (the good ol boy "no replacement for displacement" thinking). The 4G63 has had a great run in the US but by the looks of it we aren't gonna keep the rally homologated 2.0 liter forever. It'd be really cool if there was an option between a couple engines........hehehe....whole nother can o worms
Jul 1, 2003, 02:57 AM
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Originally posted by Infinity
Not gonna happen. MMSA will never develop a motor as good as the current 4G63T that ralliart developed. MMSA has really disappointed me, especially with the Galant, one of my favourite cars; the car for the last 10 years that has looked great and original.
Not gonna happen. MMSA will never develop a motor as good as the current 4G63T that ralliart developed. MMSA has really disappointed me, especially with the Galant, one of my favourite cars; the car for the last 10 years that has looked great and original.
Jul 1, 2003, 03:55 AM
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Originally posted by Kazoo's1st Evo8
hey i know this EVOSPECIALIST dude, ive met him numerous times at the dealership that he works at. He has done nothing but lie and bull**** to me about my car and his car which he claims he had a rally red evo, then he said it was yellow, and now he is claiming its silver. i would not trust this guy and also HE IS NO EVO SPECIALIST. i put my life on that!!!
hey i know this EVOSPECIALIST dude, ive met him numerous times at the dealership that he works at. He has done nothing but lie and bull**** to me about my car and his car which he claims he had a rally red evo, then he said it was yellow, and now he is claiming its silver. i would not trust this guy and also HE IS NO EVO SPECIALIST. i put my life on that!!!
Jul 1, 2003, 04:10 AM
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Originally posted by MoD
Hmm... I still don't see this happening as the evo is a rallicar first, and a street car second. Unless the rules suddenly change, it's still a 2.0 motor that we'll be getting. Besides, The evo has already proven that it doesn't need that added displacement.
Hmm... I still don't see this happening as the evo is a rallicar first, and a street car second. Unless the rules suddenly change, it's still a 2.0 motor that we'll be getting. Besides, The evo has already proven that it doesn't need that added displacement.
representive in Rallying; Well at least the WRC anyways..... the Colt base car should be ready for pre-lim testing in the late stages of the 2003 season. As for the EVo... Well the 9 is suppose to be the last version (in Japan) whether they go DSM route and offer it for US and other countries...only time will tell...either way.....EVo has ALWAYS been a 2.0 anything else....it just wouldn't be..................an EVO 
Jul 1, 2003, 06:32 AM
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I remember when they were preparing to release the Evo here they were informing the dealers that the kind of people that would come in and seriously want to buy the car were part of a cult following and already knew almost everything about it. To change the engine in the car would detract from the purity of the car in the eyes of those that would buy it. I don't think that mitsubishi would diverge in a way that would throw the "evo enthusiast" aside becuase they would lose a large part of the market for the car.
On the topic of diverging in the states, what are the possibilities of a 300 - 320 HP 2.4L MIVEC 4G63, sold only in the US as the Evo RalliArt and priced higher than the standard Evo ($35-37K). This would place it directly against the STi. This would be a more logical step for mitsu, and would fit the rumors of "2.4L" and "diverging US path." I don't think that mitsu would isolate its enthusiast fan base in the US by giving us a turbo dodge and calling it an Evo -- the enthusiasts were the reason that the evo came over in the first place.
On the topic of diverging in the states, what are the possibilities of a 300 - 320 HP 2.4L MIVEC 4G63, sold only in the US as the Evo RalliArt and priced higher than the standard Evo ($35-37K). This would place it directly against the STi. This would be a more logical step for mitsu, and would fit the rumors of "2.4L" and "diverging US path." I don't think that mitsu would isolate its enthusiast fan base in the US by giving us a turbo dodge and calling it an Evo -- the enthusiasts were the reason that the evo came over in the first place.
Jul 1, 2003, 06:44 AM
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oh, yeah, i almost forgot... the colt is fugly. I wonder why the WRC cars are all going to 2 door hatchbacks -- i thought that WRC regulations mandated a pretty hefty min. weight and an inlet restrictor...