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Has Mitsubishi made the same mistake again
Apr 4, 2008, 05:29 AM
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As the quote in my sig suggests, a friend and I recently discussed this and came to the same conclusion lol
The Eclipse went from being a DSM beast to a V6 "chick car" if you'll pardon the phrase. Basically, what used to be made for performance modification suddenly became a more relaxed cruiser for the "neon and rims" generation. It's difficult to say it's a bad car, but certainly not what it once was.
The same can be said for the Evo. Its heart was the 4G and the modifying potential it offered. Now we have a brand new alluminum block, and while it may stand some abuse, it's doubtful it will ever be as rock solid as the 4G. Add to that the extra weight and new transmission and you see what Mitsubishi is going for; a more relaxed car designed for the masses. Again, not a bad car, but in my not-so-humble opinion, not an Evo. A Lancer Evolution, sure, sounds way more sophisticated, but when I hear Evo I'll always think of the I-IX's.
The Eclipse went from being a DSM beast to a V6 "chick car" if you'll pardon the phrase. Basically, what used to be made for performance modification suddenly became a more relaxed cruiser for the "neon and rims" generation. It's difficult to say it's a bad car, but certainly not what it once was.
The same can be said for the Evo. Its heart was the 4G and the modifying potential it offered. Now we have a brand new alluminum block, and while it may stand some abuse, it's doubtful it will ever be as rock solid as the 4G. Add to that the extra weight and new transmission and you see what Mitsubishi is going for; a more relaxed car designed for the masses. Again, not a bad car, but in my not-so-humble opinion, not an Evo. A Lancer Evolution, sure, sounds way more sophisticated, but when I hear Evo I'll always think of the I-IX's.
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Apr 4, 2008, 05:36 AM
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the evo X is not a mistake ask anyone that has bought one and they will tell you they love it. I plan to buy an evo X in the near future, I am NOT getting rid of my IX though.
Apr 4, 2008, 05:40 AM
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I think it was about time that they change the evo to preserve the I-IX heritage. new engine, new body style and new direction. They haven't been as prolific WRC winners since they change to the CT9A platform for Group A because of the change in rules. Just to keep the "rally heritage" and preserve it in the I-IX, it is good that they evolved the evo for the streets. Time will tell if it will be as successful as the older evo's. but knowing mitsubishi, they will never go back to the 4G63 even if the enthusiasts crowd demand it, especially if the X turns out to be a hotseller.
Apr 4, 2008, 05:53 AM
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I have been in the market looking for a Evo 9 and have relized how hard they are to find, but everytime I call a dealership they offer me the New Evo X. When I tell them no they tell me "they are having a hard time selling th X"
So here is what I'm asking do you think Mitsubishi has made the same mistake that they made in 2000 with the Eclipse? When they changed the body style and the motor revamped the hole car just like they have done with the Evo.
So here is what I'm asking do you think Mitsubishi has made the same mistake that they made in 2000 with the Eclipse? When they changed the body style and the motor revamped the hole car just like they have done with the Evo.
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Apr 4, 2008, 06:35 AM
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The economy is crappy right now -- all the car manufacturers sales numbers are down, its harder to get a loan, rates are higher, and frankly none of that bodes well for a $35k Mitsu.
Apr 4, 2008, 06:50 AM
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If you don't mind the X, you have plenty of leverage to negotiate a great deal.
Although it would probably be a loss leader, I would have enjoyed
making a stripped down X track version with rollcage as some other manufacturers do for their track-going enthusiasts.
If you want what many will call a "Real" Evo, seek out the IX. If you want a more well rounded car, start negotiating for that X!
Although it would probably be a loss leader, I would have enjoyed
making a stripped down X track version with rollcage as some other manufacturers do for their track-going enthusiasts.If you want what many will call a "Real" Evo, seek out the IX. If you want a more well rounded car, start negotiating for that X!
Apr 4, 2008, 06:59 AM
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As the quote in my sig suggests, a friend and I recently discussed this and came to the same conclusion lol
The Eclipse went from being a DSM beast to a V6 "chick car" if you'll pardon the phrase. Basically, what used to be made for performance modification suddenly became a more relaxed cruiser for the "neon and rims" generation. It's difficult to say it's a bad car, but certainly not what it once was.
The same can be said for the Evo. Its heart was the 4G and the modifying potential it offered. Now we have a brand new alluminum block, and while it may stand some abuse, it's doubtful it will ever be as rock solid as the 4G. Add to that the extra weight and new transmission and you see what Mitsubishi is going for; a more relaxed car designed for the masses. Again, not a bad car, but in my not-so-humble opinion, not an Evo. A Lancer Evolution, sure, sounds way more sophisticated, but when I hear Evo I'll always think of the I-IX's.
The Eclipse went from being a DSM beast to a V6 "chick car" if you'll pardon the phrase. Basically, what used to be made for performance modification suddenly became a more relaxed cruiser for the "neon and rims" generation. It's difficult to say it's a bad car, but certainly not what it once was.
The same can be said for the Evo. Its heart was the 4G and the modifying potential it offered. Now we have a brand new alluminum block, and while it may stand some abuse, it's doubtful it will ever be as rock solid as the 4G. Add to that the extra weight and new transmission and you see what Mitsubishi is going for; a more relaxed car designed for the masses. Again, not a bad car, but in my not-so-humble opinion, not an Evo. A Lancer Evolution, sure, sounds way more sophisticated, but when I hear Evo I'll always think of the I-IX's.
Apr 4, 2008, 07:22 AM
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Guys.........don't forget that as 'raw' a car the IX is, it doesn't appeal to a wide range of buyers. Few buyers want to put up with the ride quality, lack of features, noise, etc. that comes with the IX, regardless of the performance.
True enthusiasts like us are a very small percentage of the car-buying public. I don't think Mitsubishi is in the business of making factory racecars..........they want to sell a large number of cars that appeal to more buyers, and more buyers = more $$$.
With that said, I think the X is a step in the right direction for Mitsu. Those cars should appeal to alot more people, and I think they'll sell a lot more than the VIII's and IX's. Although for us VIII and IX owners, I think we have the last of a dying breed.........basically a street-legal race car.
True enthusiasts like us are a very small percentage of the car-buying public. I don't think Mitsubishi is in the business of making factory racecars..........they want to sell a large number of cars that appeal to more buyers, and more buyers = more $$$.
With that said, I think the X is a step in the right direction for Mitsu. Those cars should appeal to alot more people, and I think they'll sell a lot more than the VIII's and IX's. Although for us VIII and IX owners, I think we have the last of a dying breed.........basically a street-legal race car.
Apr 4, 2008, 07:39 AM
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I'd like to add one more thing.....
The one thing I like about the Evo VIII and IX's is that I can get a ton of performance without spending a ton of money, and having a bunch of luxury features I'm not interested in.
Take a 3-series BMW, for example. Great handling, decent power, tons of luxury features, and great fit and finish.
Interestingly, the Evo X, with its improved fit and finish, added saftey features, etc, is approaching the price of an entry-level 3-series BMW.
I wonder how many potential Evo X buyers are contemplating the same thing I am........I think you can get a base 335i (twin-turbo six, with a good amount of mod potential) for less than $40K.
I guess I liked it better when I had my choice of a raw performance car (Evo) or a refined, luxury performance car (BMW, for example). The lines are starting to become blurred..........
The one thing I like about the Evo VIII and IX's is that I can get a ton of performance without spending a ton of money, and having a bunch of luxury features I'm not interested in.
Take a 3-series BMW, for example. Great handling, decent power, tons of luxury features, and great fit and finish.
Interestingly, the Evo X, with its improved fit and finish, added saftey features, etc, is approaching the price of an entry-level 3-series BMW.
I wonder how many potential Evo X buyers are contemplating the same thing I am........I think you can get a base 335i (twin-turbo six, with a good amount of mod potential) for less than $40K.
I guess I liked it better when I had my choice of a raw performance car (Evo) or a refined, luxury performance car (BMW, for example). The lines are starting to become blurred..........
Apr 4, 2008, 07:49 AM
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As for the extra weight of the X, it's pretty minor and even if Mitsubishi had continued the IX for another year or two for the U.S. market, and decided to just update it's safety features, people would have complained because it would have gained weight anyways. The Evo has been at the top of the most expensive cars to insure for a while now and that probably wasn't going to change without a complete evolution involving a whole new body. It's an AWD sports sedan, not a 240SX. It's gonna be heavy, get over it and break out the angle grinders.
As much as everyone loves the 4G63, with emissions laws getting more and more strict, it was just a matter of time before the 4G was either neutered by restrictive emissions or replaced. It's just a matter of evolution. Sure, Chevy may still have their beloved small block V8 but that will eventually change. The can continue to build V8's forever without anything to power them. Fewer people are willing to drop 50 grand on a car that they can only afford to drive every once in a while, compared to cars they can drive everyday. Those (in this case Chevy) who refuse to evolve with change, will be left on the wayside. The 4B11 may or may not (I don't know) be more efficient than the outgoing 4G63, but things are changing. And as the Lancer Evolution has evolved, change has usually been a good thing. I guess what I'm getting to is that one day when oil energy supplies are so depleted that we all have to be driving 1.0 liter three cylinder, (hopefully force-induced) K-cars, we won't be the ones standing still, stuck with an ancient engine design that has a thirst that only an ultra-rare dino fuel can satisfy.
Apr 4, 2008, 08:02 AM
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the evoX was a great move. the next years model or after I know they will increase performance capabilities with the new motor. I put money next year will be stock at 340hp!. Come on guys give them a break. its a whole new approach they are doing for us. give them 1 year. They first had to settle the looks and yaw control. now that is done they can work on more power.