Weight Reduction.
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Capable of Weight Savings
5 Lug Nuts
35 Rims
Tires
10 Brake Rotors
Front Strut Bar
Suspension
10 Driveshaft
Hood
Trunk
15 Battery
Intake
5 Engine Pulleys
10 Downpipe
20 Cat-Back Exhuast
15 FlyWHeel & Clutch
125 Total
25 Spare and Jack and Assorted plastic trimming and such???
150 Total
5 Lug Nuts
35 Rims
Tires
10 Brake Rotors
Front Strut Bar
Suspension
10 Driveshaft
Hood
Trunk
15 Battery
Intake
5 Engine Pulleys
10 Downpipe
20 Cat-Back Exhuast
15 FlyWHeel & Clutch
125 Total
25 Spare and Jack and Assorted plastic trimming and such???
150 Total
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Originally posted by Mister2zx3
This is what I was afraid of and yet glad at the same time, semas liek their isn't much room for weight reduction without going full race.
What do the stock Rims Weigh? Stock Tires?
Maybe save 20 lbs across all four there with some lighter bits?
This is what I was afraid of and yet glad at the same time, semas liek their isn't much room for weight reduction without going full race.
What do the stock Rims Weigh? Stock Tires?
Maybe save 20 lbs across all four there with some lighter bits?
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Ok, I fully understand the realities of weight vs HP....but with all that money you've spent on exotic Titanium coilovers (was the stock handling that bad?) and removing functional aerodynamics, spending thousands on rims when the stockers are at 18lbs (could save 5 lbs each by going with Volk CE28N and retain strength)....etc, etc
What is this going to yield at the track? What will a 200lb lighter EVO do over an EVO that has simply upped boost, or changed ECU or even exhaust?
I can see the spare removal (keep a can of fix flat around), but everything else on this car is a bit silly unless you're gonna be a trailer queen.
Those are my heavy opinions =)
What is this going to yield at the track? What will a 200lb lighter EVO do over an EVO that has simply upped boost, or changed ECU or even exhaust?
I can see the spare removal (keep a can of fix flat around), but everything else on this car is a bit silly unless you're gonna be a trailer queen.
Those are my heavy opinions =)
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Originally posted by DrMerl
What is this going to yield at the track? What will a 200lb lighter EVO do over an EVO that has simply upped boost, or changed ECU or even exhaust?
What is this going to yield at the track? What will a 200lb lighter EVO do over an EVO that has simply upped boost, or changed ECU or even exhaust?
Light weight is so much more beneficial than power. Next would be to find some carbon fiber pieces to improve the aero of the car.
Ever notice how most race cars make near stock horse power, but are much much lighter and have changed aero packages?
WRC cars are limited to 300hp and have the worst conditions to race in, but manage to be blindingly fast..
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one of the lightest exhaust is the Fujitsubo Super Ti. One piece full titanium cat back exhaust (unlike many exhausts which are two piece) and weighs only 5kg (11-12 lbs). It's JASMA certified meaning it's quiet (less than 96db) and designed for high end power. Fujitsubo makes a few exhausts for low end, mid end and high end power. If I save enough, I'll definately get this unit. I'm still waiting for a price quote from godspeed and gruppe-s.
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Coming from my Camaro background (and having done no EVO racing yet) I'll throw out a few things that might work.
is the stock exaust manifold cast iron? if so, toss it for a lightweight tubular header.
How about the A/C, you don't need that on a racecar! Yank it
Same goes for ABS, who needs that stuff. Pull it!
Just have enough washer fluid in the tank to mist the intercooler before each run, a gallon of fluid will weigh about what water does, almost 9 pounds per gallon. Same goes for gas, don't drag with a full tank.
If you are drag racing only, maybe you should pull off the swaybars too, that works great for RWD cars - don't know about AWD though.
is the stock exaust manifold cast iron? if so, toss it for a lightweight tubular header.
How about the A/C, you don't need that on a racecar! Yank it
Same goes for ABS, who needs that stuff. Pull it!
Just have enough washer fluid in the tank to mist the intercooler before each run, a gallon of fluid will weigh about what water does, almost 9 pounds per gallon. Same goes for gas, don't drag with a full tank.
If you are drag racing only, maybe you should pull off the swaybars too, that works great for RWD cars - don't know about AWD though.
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I figured out a while back that my car in autocross trim is probably about 125 pounds lighter than the standard curb weight, and I'm not doing much... I'm autocrossing in Stock class, so there's not a lot of weight reduction techniques I can actually get away with.
I broke this down as follows:
Enkei 17x8 RPF1 wheels with Hoosier 245/40ZR17 tires, secured with Zenki forged aluminum lug nuts. About 10 pounds at each corner. 40 pounds total reduction.
Removal of spare tire, jack, related tools, and floor mats. About 25 pounds total reduction.
Running with just over 1/4 tank of fuel. About 60 pounds total reduction.
I broke this down as follows:
Enkei 17x8 RPF1 wheels with Hoosier 245/40ZR17 tires, secured with Zenki forged aluminum lug nuts. About 10 pounds at each corner. 40 pounds total reduction.
Removal of spare tire, jack, related tools, and floor mats. About 25 pounds total reduction.
Running with just over 1/4 tank of fuel. About 60 pounds total reduction.
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a 10% reduction in weight yields the following:
11% more stopping power per lb
11% more contact patch per lb
11% more hp per lb
in addition the ride will be comparably stiffer b/c you have the same spring rate with fewer lbs riding on it
You will get better gas mileage ... etc ... etc
so my 300lb lighter STi will stop harder, accelerate faster, corner harder, and be easier on parts ... see the benefit?
it actually yields less benefit per dollar at the drag strip .. but at the road course there is no way to get better bang for the buck ... try getting all those gains without reducing the weight and see how much it costs you ... plus the fact that I WILL be increasing the power as well ... and the braking power .. etc etc
I find ABS incredibly useful
11% more stopping power per lb
11% more contact patch per lb
11% more hp per lb
in addition the ride will be comparably stiffer b/c you have the same spring rate with fewer lbs riding on it
You will get better gas mileage ... etc ... etc
so my 300lb lighter STi will stop harder, accelerate faster, corner harder, and be easier on parts ... see the benefit?
it actually yields less benefit per dollar at the drag strip .. but at the road course there is no way to get better bang for the buck ... try getting all those gains without reducing the weight and see how much it costs you ... plus the fact that I WILL be increasing the power as well ... and the braking power .. etc etc
I find ABS incredibly useful
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According to shiv:
Rear wiper w/ motor: 3lbs
Rear bumper beam: 17lb
Front bumper beam: 13lbs
That's not the things I will lighten up on though.
BTW I'm amazed by the size of that battery compared to the one I had in the 6 evertime I open the hood...
Rear wiper w/ motor: 3lbs
Rear bumper beam: 17lb
Front bumper beam: 13lbs
That's not the things I will lighten up on though.
BTW I'm amazed by the size of that battery compared to the one I had in the 6 evertime I open the hood...