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Old Dec 29, 2009, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by EvoJoeIX
well then you havent seen much
also hp doesnt matter when it comes to clutches, its all about torque

most every car ive seen that had mods and a stock clutch ran for about 2 weeks before it slipped, so ill beleive it when I see it.
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Old Dec 29, 2009, 03:47 PM
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i would start with some of the basics like wideband, fuel pump etc. then work your way to cams and already have the car set for when you put them in
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Old Dec 30, 2009, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by DBallz
Listen I'm not getting into the debate about high or low reading dynos. The 2 evo 9's which i watched being tune both made 370. One had stock IC and the other AMS, both had LICP, Fuel pump, intake, and a great tuner who knew what he was doing. The fact of the matter is I heard either on thhis forum that DynoJet is the US standard for chassis dyno. Cams on a evo 9 on stock turbo is over kill.
well all im saying is with them same mods i made about 330 whp on CBRD's dyno tuned by chad
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Old Dec 30, 2009, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by italianevo88
most every car ive seen that had mods and a stock clutch ran for about 2 weeks before it slipped, so ill beleive it when I see it.
like i said before, you obviously havent seen much. it all depends on the driver. so to sit here and blame it on the clutch is stupid. ive seen stock clutches last months at that kind of power
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Old Dec 30, 2009, 12:40 PM
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im not blaming anything, but its benificial to have a stonger clutch especially for launches
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Old Dec 30, 2009, 02:16 PM
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Charlie (kreionic) made approx 440 whp on our low MD, on the stock clutch into 3X,000 miles....

no launches, but I know he drove on the stock clutch for some time that way...
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Old Dec 30, 2009, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by italianevo88
most every car ive seen that had mods and a stock clutch ran for about 2 weeks before it slipped, so ill beleive it when I see it.
I must be above average then...been modded for a month and my stock clutch is still running strong. BTW, the car has 44k miles and a few track days thrown in there.

I'd say its largely torque and driver dependent as for the lifespan of the stock clutch
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Old Dec 30, 2009, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by CBRD_Caleb
Charlie (kreionic) made approx 440 whp on our low MD, on the stock clutch into 3X,000 miles....

no launches, but I know he drove on the stock clutch for some time that way...
he was the first person that came to mind for me too
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Originally Posted by italianevo88
ive never seen an evo or sti with a stock clutch able to handle 400whp, but obviously you would wait untill the old ones shot before you replace it
A friend of mine just made 512whp on stock 30k mile clutch, and it drives fine. It's all on how you drive the car (i.e. aggressive launching).

For the OP, I would, depending on how far you plan to take the car, skip the S1's, as they are a mild upgrade. If you ever want to run a BT and make 500+ you'd be better off with S2's or Kelford 272 or 280's.

For reference, I think the new S2's are 274/278 on their cams.
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Old Dec 30, 2009, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by F0RSAKEN
A friend of mine just made 512whp on stock 30k mile clutch, and it drives fine. It's all on how you drive the car (i.e. aggressive launching).

For the OP, I would, depending on how far you plan to take the car, skip the S1's, as they are a mild upgrade. If you ever want to run a BT and make 500+ you'd be better off with S2's or Kelford 272 or 280's.

For reference, I think the new S2's are 274/278 on their cams.
I would go with the s2's, just got them and they are 274 in 274 ex.
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Old Dec 30, 2009, 03:36 PM
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+1 on the Wideband. Pretty essential when you start modding heavily.
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Old Dec 31, 2009, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Walt
I would go with the s2's, just got them and they are 274 in 274 ex.
Better check your cam card! GSC just revised these cams for about the 3rd time. There always improving them, if I remember the specs are 278 intake, 274 exhaust and 11.2 lift on the intake and 11.0 on the exhaust. There big boy cams!
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