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Jan 31, 2010, 02:20 PM
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the reason the eBay junk is so cheap is because they wait for actual Evo enthusiasts to make a product, ie spend thousands on R&D costs and hours, then just go around and copy it. this hurts the community because if someone is just going to do that, why would you want to waste time developing newer, innovative products? i don't have an Evo yet but i will soon. on another particular car board that i frequently visit, they've had the same problems of a certain company copying another company's work and then undercutting them.
what surprises me is that this particular company is praised here on this board. when i do get my Evo in a few months, i for one, will be boycotting this company as they lack ethics.
what surprises me is that this particular company is praised here on this board. when i do get my Evo in a few months, i for one, will be boycotting this company as they lack ethics.
Jan 31, 2010, 02:58 PM
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I wouldn't buy that eBay garbage, my friend bought it and it seemed ok for about a month then it began to rust through and one of the hangers fell off. Its honestly a waste of money because now hes paid for that exhaust and an ams one when he could have bought the ams one in the first place... "you get what you pay for"
Jan 31, 2010, 03:59 PM
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Jan 31, 2010, 04:06 PM
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heres something to think about:
cbr1000 is what like 10k.. so you paid 10% for an exhaust.
evo is 30k... couple hundred doesnt sound so bad after you break it down like that.
cbr1000 is what like 10k.. so you paid 10% for an exhaust.
evo is 30k... couple hundred doesnt sound so bad after you break it down like that.
Jan 31, 2010, 07:07 PM
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If they really did support you??
Who do you think pays for this site? Who does all the R&D so EVO run better and faster? I know for sure its the vendors of this site and not any Ebay vendors.
Also, theres many vendors that sell quality exhaust for less then 1K.
Last, Im not forcing anyone to do anything or not letting people make "their own ****ing decisions". Im just saying people should think about about supporting OUR community. If everyone went and bought Ebay TBEs, then there would be NO EvoM.net.
Who do you think pays for this site? Who does all the R&D so EVO run better and faster? I know for sure its the vendors of this site and not any Ebay vendors.
Also, theres many vendors that sell quality exhaust for less then 1K.
Last, Im not forcing anyone to do anything or not letting people make "their own ****ing decisions". Im just saying people should think about about supporting OUR community. If everyone went and bought Ebay TBEs, then there would be NO EvoM.net.
But you're right!! Let's do exactly what you say and spend, what is it, $500 let's say on a brand name catback rather than $80 for a turboback. But yes let's think about the supporters of this community and not our own lives and wallets. I'm sorry, but not everybody is rich enough, like you, to spend thousands of dollars on stainless piping and brands. Some of us have bills to pay, tuition to pay, and rent to pay.
So if you're bills and rent include paying for the name of companies, by all means go ahead. But don't tell someone else to because you think that's what they should do.
And I know you didn't notice (since you've only been here for a month), but EvoM was created back in early 2001 I believe. Now go look around at all the major major vendors and see when they joined. Most joined in 2003-ish. So tell me, since there were no vendors for those two years, then there must've been "NO EvoM.net." correct? Your logic is outstanding...
I think it's time for you to go back to the Newbie forum and stop trying to brainwash those who want genuine and unbiased opinions because if you could have it your way, you would want everybody but yourself to completely forget how to tune a car. And don't even deny that because it'll be a fine example of hypocrisy.
Jan 31, 2010, 09:08 PM
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Hahaha you're tooting quite a few horns for someone that's been here just a hair over a month man...
But you're right!! Let's do exactly what you say and spend, what is it, $500 let's say on a brand name catback rather than $80 for a turboback. But yes let's think about the supporters of this community and not our own lives and wallets. I'm sorry, but not everybody is rich enough, like you, to spend thousands of dollars on stainless piping and brands. Some of us have bills to pay, tuition to pay, and rent to pay.
So if you're bills and rent include paying for the name of companies, by all means go ahead. But don't tell someone else to because you think that's what they should do.
And I know you didn't notice (since you've only been here for a month), but EvoM was created back in early 2001 I believe. Now go look around at all the major major vendors and see when they joined. Most joined in 2003-ish. So tell me, since there were no vendors for those two years, then there must've been "NO EvoM.net." correct? Your logic is outstanding...
I think it's time for you to go back to the Newbie forum and stop trying to brainwash those who want genuine and unbiased opinions because if you could have it your way, you would want everybody but yourself to completely forget how to tune a car. And don't even deny that because it'll be a fine example of hypocrisy.
But you're right!! Let's do exactly what you say and spend, what is it, $500 let's say on a brand name catback rather than $80 for a turboback. But yes let's think about the supporters of this community and not our own lives and wallets. I'm sorry, but not everybody is rich enough, like you, to spend thousands of dollars on stainless piping and brands. Some of us have bills to pay, tuition to pay, and rent to pay.
So if you're bills and rent include paying for the name of companies, by all means go ahead. But don't tell someone else to because you think that's what they should do.
And I know you didn't notice (since you've only been here for a month), but EvoM was created back in early 2001 I believe. Now go look around at all the major major vendors and see when they joined. Most joined in 2003-ish. So tell me, since there were no vendors for those two years, then there must've been "NO EvoM.net." correct? Your logic is outstanding...
I think it's time for you to go back to the Newbie forum and stop trying to brainwash those who want genuine and unbiased opinions because if you could have it your way, you would want everybody but yourself to completely forget how to tune a car. And don't even deny that because it'll be a fine example of hypocrisy.
Anyways, I am over arguing with you. Have a great day.
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Jan 31, 2010, 10:00 PM
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But were talking about exhausts here, I highly doubt there is a ton of R&D that goes into them; Piping is piping. Now the knock-off turbos are a different story...
Jan 31, 2010, 10:04 PM
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A couple things. First you may know how much steel cost and how much an exhaust is to make, but you dont know how much vendor fees are, dyno payments and other over head cost and if you did, you'd be surprised.
Next, If your slipfit exhaust "fell off twice", then you should have it installed by a qualified shop. I and many many others have the BR slipfit exhaust and it does NOT fall off if you install it correctly.
Next, If your slipfit exhaust "fell off twice", then you should have it installed by a qualified shop. I and many many others have the BR slipfit exhaust and it does NOT fall off if you install it correctly.
Qualified shop for an bolt on exhaust! My exhaust shop has had the highest reputation in South MS for the last 10+ years. The clamps (not the V band clamp style they changed to) never held the pipes worth crap since day one. Mine nor the 3 other people that had the same exact one that lived near me. Like i said, the exhuast was nice though hence why i got it welded together once.
Jan 31, 2010, 10:08 PM
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Besides different types of Metals, i total agree. I support Vendors all i can on Every website im on. We know the ones that do true R&D and help the community.
Jan 31, 2010, 10:20 PM
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Do i know how much Vendor fees cost? Yes, im an admin on another forum.
Qualified shop for an bolt on exhaust! My exhaust shop has had the highest reputation in South MS for the last 10+ years. The clamps (not the V band clamp style they changed to) never held the pipes worth crap since day one. Mine nor the 3 other people that had the same exact one that lived near me. Like i said, the exhuast was nice though hence why i got it welded together once.
Qualified shop for an bolt on exhaust! My exhaust shop has had the highest reputation in South MS for the last 10+ years. The clamps (not the V band clamp style they changed to) never held the pipes worth crap since day one. Mine nor the 3 other people that had the same exact one that lived near me. Like i said, the exhuast was nice though hence why i got it welded together once.
Also, if the clamps are tightened correct and installed correctly, BR slip fit TBE WILL NOT FALL APART.
Check this thread for more info
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...t-fitment.html
Jan 31, 2010, 10:27 PM
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Here is a great quote, explaining why/how your BR slipfit exhaust may have "fell apart" dur to installer error.
Either you didnt slip in enough tubing or you installed the clamp incorrectly. The clamps are step down type where the slip over section is wider than the slip-in section. Either you mixed that up and put it backwards or you didnt place it on correctly, assuming you did tighten it snug.
Jan 31, 2010, 10:41 PM
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Pricing is based on what the market will tolerate. If people are going to spend 600 on an exhaust, then why would that vendor charge less?
If all of a sudden, a rash of butt-freakin' awesome exhausts were released on the market for $100, then things would change.
No need to argue about.
If all of a sudden, a rash of butt-freakin' awesome exhausts were released on the market for $100, then things would change.
No need to argue about.