Lancer Evolution RS Thread [MEGA MERGE]
Nov 6, 2003, 11:13 AM
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Will be interesting to see if there is any difference in lap times under more controlled conditions both on pavement and gravel courses. I would supect so. One may need to add the rear spoiler to the RS to properly compare apples to apples.
Nov 6, 2003, 11:38 AM
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Personally, I like the idea of not having any of the other items. You watch in a couple of years you guys will be looking to yank your A/C. It happens all the time. Except maybe you down in Texas or Florida or anyplace where it's Africa hot.
Me personally, the RS is a car for those guys that want a hardcore racecar. It's ashame there isn't an organized Evo club like the Porsche club or BMW club that would put on club races where guys build their Evo's to spec's laid out according various classes similar to Showroom Stock. That would be the place for the RS. Half the work of gutting a car is done for you.
I see the RS as the Cobra R for
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Granted the wing should stay or if it's an option equally as good. However, nothing else should be optional like ABS, A/C or any power accessories. Look at the new BMW M-3CSL.
As for the price we'll see....
Lastly, why are people worried about warrenty? You shot it out the window with your stage zero kit or whatever you did.
Me personally, the RS is a car for those guys that want a hardcore racecar. It's ashame there isn't an organized Evo club like the Porsche club or BMW club that would put on club races where guys build their Evo's to spec's laid out according various classes similar to Showroom Stock. That would be the place for the RS. Half the work of gutting a car is done for you.
I see the RS as the Cobra R for
.Granted the wing should stay or if it's an option equally as good. However, nothing else should be optional like ABS, A/C or any power accessories. Look at the new BMW M-3CSL.
As for the price we'll see....
Lastly, why are people worried about warrenty? You shot it out the window with your stage zero kit or whatever you did.
Nov 6, 2003, 11:43 AM
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The spec sheet shows there should be a difference, but it would be a difference measured in tenths of a second, well within the limits of driver error.
Bad driver in a stripped Evo..
Good driver in a car with all the options..
Looks like a wash..
But the guy with air conditioning was "cooler"..
Nov 6, 2003, 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by M3lachsilber
Just think, if they brought over the MR or a "loaded" EVO 8, you could own BOTH!!! One to race and one to drive daily!!
Just think, if they brought over the MR or a "loaded" EVO 8, you could own BOTH!!! One to race and one to drive daily!!
Nov 6, 2003, 01:34 PM
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Just like BMW CSL's, Alfa GTA's, Carrera RS and RSR's, early M3's, and Ferrari competition cars (eg, aluminum SWB and GTO's), stripped out 426 Hemi's w/ heater delete options, Chevys with L88 w/ aluminum heads, Ford Thunderbolts, Shelby GT-350 R-types, competition Cobras (427 and FIA 289) and more. Just keep them coming.
And as we all know they were undesirable cars for most people when they were initially sold, but they sure arent cheap any more - even the ones that got crashed repeatedly on the track.
These machines provide some of the finest in motoring but admittedly they require some compromises on part of their respective owners. Not everyone's gig.
And as we all know they were undesirable cars for most people when they were initially sold, but they sure arent cheap any more - even the ones that got crashed repeatedly on the track.
These machines provide some of the finest in motoring but admittedly they require some compromises on part of their respective owners. Not everyone's gig.
Originally posted by M3lachsilber
I like the concept of the RS...I also liked the RS America AND the M3 Lightweight..BUT I WOULDN"T BUY ONE!
Maybe it's a personal preference thing, what do you think?!
Enjoy the RS....and keep it forever because you will indeed own an EVO that will appeal to FAR less people in the long run..and therfore carry a much LOWER long term value(not to mention beat up on the track)
I like the concept of the RS...I also liked the RS America AND the M3 Lightweight..BUT I WOULDN"T BUY ONE!
Maybe it's a personal preference thing, what do you think?!
Enjoy the RS....and keep it forever because you will indeed own an EVO that will appeal to FAR less people in the long run..and therfore carry a much LOWER long term value(not to mention beat up on the track)
Nov 6, 2003, 08:30 PM
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This RS sounds good but NO ABS?? 
Does Mitsubishi know why Dodge added ABS to the new/current Viper? The old/original Viper always posted sub par braking distances in magazine exotic car comparoes because of it's lack of ABS.
Does anyone know if Mistu dropped the brake distribution module thing too?
Does Mitsubishi know why Dodge added ABS to the new/current Viper? The old/original Viper always posted sub par braking distances in magazine exotic car comparoes because of it's lack of ABS.
Does anyone know if Mistu dropped the brake distribution module thing too?
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Nov 7, 2003, 09:20 AM
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Originally posted by alleggerita
Just like BMW CSL's, Alfa GTA's, Carrera RS and RSR's, early M3's, and Ferrari competition cars (eg, aluminum SWB and GTO's), stripped out 426 Hemi's w/ heater delete options, Chevys with L88 w/ aluminum heads, Ford Thunderbolts, Shelby GT-350 R-types, competition Cobras (427 and FIA 289) and more. Just keep them coming.
And as we all know they were undesirable cars for most people when they were initially sold, but they sure arent cheap any more - even the ones that got crashed repeatedly on the track.
These machines provide some of the finest in motoring but admittedly they require some compromises on part of their respective owners. Not everyone's gig.
Just like BMW CSL's, Alfa GTA's, Carrera RS and RSR's, early M3's, and Ferrari competition cars (eg, aluminum SWB and GTO's), stripped out 426 Hemi's w/ heater delete options, Chevys with L88 w/ aluminum heads, Ford Thunderbolts, Shelby GT-350 R-types, competition Cobras (427 and FIA 289) and more. Just keep them coming.
And as we all know they were undesirable cars for most people when they were initially sold, but they sure arent cheap any more - even the ones that got crashed repeatedly on the track.
These machines provide some of the finest in motoring but admittedly they require some compromises on part of their respective owners. Not everyone's gig.
The thing is, most of the rice-boy dreamers who infest this board like vermin don't understand most of what you just typed.
Nov 7, 2003, 09:39 AM
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I think the problem most people have with the RS is that the price point is too high for the little benefit one can get.
rs 26.x thousand
evo 28.8 thousand
For a little more than 2k in savings you loose about 90pounds. (this will translate into less than 0.1sec on the drag strip - and an equally negligible difference on the auto-x).
The price point is still too high to be able to pull possible SRT-4 drivers from buying the neon and that's what this car seems marketed towards.
This car is NOT a trailer queen. It is meant to be street driven. It is not a race car. It is a hybrid at best.
Let me ask: Is the STi a race car because it comes without a radio?
I love the evo. I hope we get the MR evo. But, I see the RS as another marketing venue. I would guess that the Mitsubishi sales department thought up the RS.
rs 26.x thousand
evo 28.8 thousand
For a little more than 2k in savings you loose about 90pounds. (this will translate into less than 0.1sec on the drag strip - and an equally negligible difference on the auto-x).
The price point is still too high to be able to pull possible SRT-4 drivers from buying the neon and that's what this car seems marketed towards.
This car is NOT a trailer queen. It is meant to be street driven. It is not a race car. It is a hybrid at best.
Let me ask: Is the STi a race car because it comes without a radio?
I love the evo. I hope we get the MR evo. But, I see the RS as another marketing venue. I would guess that the Mitsubishi sales department thought up the RS.
Nov 7, 2003, 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by meisnerboy
I think the problem most people have with the RS is that the price point is too high for the little benefit one can get.
rs 26.x thousand
evo 28.8 thousand
For a little more than 2k in savings you loose about 90pounds. (this will translate into less than 0.1sec on the drag strip - and an equally negligible difference on the auto-x).
The price point is still too high to be able to pull possible SRT-4 drivers from buying the neon and that's what this car seems marketed towards.
This car is NOT a trailer queen. It is meant to be street driven. It is not a race car. It is a hybrid at best.
Let me ask: Is the STi a race car because it comes without a radio?
I love the evo. I hope we get the MR evo. But, I see the RS as another marketing venue. I would guess that the Mitsubishi sales department thought up the RS.
I think the problem most people have with the RS is that the price point is too high for the little benefit one can get.
rs 26.x thousand
evo 28.8 thousand
For a little more than 2k in savings you loose about 90pounds. (this will translate into less than 0.1sec on the drag strip - and an equally negligible difference on the auto-x).
The price point is still too high to be able to pull possible SRT-4 drivers from buying the neon and that's what this car seems marketed towards.
This car is NOT a trailer queen. It is meant to be street driven. It is not a race car. It is a hybrid at best.
Let me ask: Is the STi a race car because it comes without a radio?
I love the evo. I hope we get the MR evo. But, I see the RS as another marketing venue. I would guess that the Mitsubishi sales department thought up the RS.
I have a new (second) car coming to me within a year and this is looking to be a great candidate... hopefully the MY05 EVO doesn't revert to the new front end (I'm not a big fan, personally).
-Mike.
Nov 7, 2003, 11:00 AM
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Originally posted by meisnerboy
I think the problem most people have with the RS is that the price point is too high for the little benefit one can get.
rs 26.x thousand
evo 28.8 thousand
For a little more than 2k in savings you loose about 90pounds. (this will translate into less than 0.1sec on the drag strip - and an equally negligible difference on the auto-x).
The price point is still too high to be able to pull possible SRT-4 drivers from buying the neon and that's what this car seems marketed towards.
This car is NOT a trailer queen. It is meant to be street driven. It is not a race car. It is a hybrid at best.
Let me ask: Is the STi a race car because it comes without a radio?
I love the evo. I hope we get the MR evo. But, I see the RS as another marketing venue. I would guess that the Mitsubishi sales department thought up the RS.
I think the problem most people have with the RS is that the price point is too high for the little benefit one can get.
rs 26.x thousand
evo 28.8 thousand
For a little more than 2k in savings you loose about 90pounds. (this will translate into less than 0.1sec on the drag strip - and an equally negligible difference on the auto-x).
The price point is still too high to be able to pull possible SRT-4 drivers from buying the neon and that's what this car seems marketed towards.
This car is NOT a trailer queen. It is meant to be street driven. It is not a race car. It is a hybrid at best.
Let me ask: Is the STi a race car because it comes without a radio?
I love the evo. I hope we get the MR evo. But, I see the RS as another marketing venue. I would guess that the Mitsubishi sales department thought up the RS.
RS = cusotmizability at a lower cost. Full out race cars usually use their own high end parts (e.g., customizability), so Mitsu provides a bare bones Evo for you to customize. That's what it is.
I swear, you people need to stop *****ing about bad marketing or whatever because that's not the case. If you don't like it, then don't get it. It's as simple as that.
And I highly doubt the RS is aimed at the SRT-4 market, whoever first mentioned it...
EDIT: Yes, the RS IS meant to be a race car. No AC, no sound deadening? Those are not creature comforts you give up for performance in a daily driver.
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Nov 7, 2003, 11:11 AM
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Originally posted by meisnerboy
I think the problem most people have with the RS is that the price point is too high for the little benefit one can get.
rs 26.x thousand
evo 28.8 thousand
For a little more than 2k in savings you loose about 90pounds. (this will translate into less than 0.1sec on the drag strip - and an equally negligible difference on the auto-x).
The price point is still too high to be able to pull possible SRT-4 drivers from buying the neon and that's what this car seems marketed towards.
This car is NOT a trailer queen. It is meant to be street driven. It is not a race car. It is a hybrid at best.
Let me ask: Is the STi a race car because it comes without a radio?
I love the evo. I hope we get the MR evo. But, I see the RS as another marketing venue. I would guess that the Mitsubishi sales department thought up the RS.
I think the problem most people have with the RS is that the price point is too high for the little benefit one can get.
rs 26.x thousand
evo 28.8 thousand
For a little more than 2k in savings you loose about 90pounds. (this will translate into less than 0.1sec on the drag strip - and an equally negligible difference on the auto-x).
The price point is still too high to be able to pull possible SRT-4 drivers from buying the neon and that's what this car seems marketed towards.
This car is NOT a trailer queen. It is meant to be street driven. It is not a race car. It is a hybrid at best.
Let me ask: Is the STi a race car because it comes without a radio?
I love the evo. I hope we get the MR evo. But, I see the RS as another marketing venue. I would guess that the Mitsubishi sales department thought up the RS.
has limited it to the racing colors and the deletion of the ac is the key indicator that this is a track model- much in the same sense as the ferrari challenge, viper acr with the exception of the EVOs must be street compliant as rally cars are. This is a racecar that they werent stupid enough to limit only to the track. We wills ee if you can buy the antilag tubes and other race hardware from MUSA in the future
Nov 7, 2003, 11:17 AM
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Read the post I quoted a little too quickly and misunderstood everything that was said... I don't beleive that the EVO RS is aimed and any other car besides it's current competition.
Just because you lower the price on a car, that doesn't mean that your changing the targeted demographic of that car. Will others be interested in it and possibly own an EVO now... sure, but those people are for the most part those that would've bought one eventually anyway (like me)
BTW, I don't mind foregoing lots of things for speed... although my GF might hate me!
-Mike.
Nov 7, 2003, 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by zstryder
EDIT: Yes, the RS IS meant to be a race car. No AC, no sound deadening? Those are not creature comforts you give up for performance in a daily driver.
EDIT: Yes, the RS IS meant to be a race car. No AC, no sound deadening? Those are not creature comforts you give up for performance in a daily driver.
Mitsubishi is in the business to sell and market cars not build race cars.
IF the RS was meant to be a race car...
Why not remove all US imposed crash bracing and reduce weight to WRC spec (around 2600lbs)?
Why does it have a back seat?
Why does it have a passanger seat?
Why does it have rear windows?
Why CAN you register it and drive it on the street?
Why does it have a cat?
Why doesn't it have a roll cage?
Why does it have airbags?
Why does it have a heater?
Shall I go on or are you getting my point?
The point is that any car which will be a hybrid car (street and track) will need an ac and radio. Even Al's 600hp evo still has an ac. He brags about getting an 11.6 and then riding home with the ac blasting (meaning he didn't need crappy underdrive pulleys like he did in his wrx).
Don't you think that any car which is not a trailer queen will need a radio and ac? Don't you see this is a gimmick? The RS may not be new and the concept is not either. It is called marketing hype.
The MR car may be another story though. We'll have to see it's cost if and when it becomes available.