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Old Oct 7, 2011 | 12:26 PM
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Old Oct 7, 2011 | 03:56 PM
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This thread has partly turned to lulz.

To elaborate on my previous post, I will still stick by low 400's because a good percentage of riders can't ride to those times listed above or anywhere close. I'm saying you can beat 600's because I have. I've actually beaten good riders with mid 400's...on pump gas.

Keep in mind the drag coefficient of a motorcycle and the power of a modern 600. With the right rider 600's are stupid fast down low. Up top they are nowhere near as fast as 1K+ bikes though so they will start slowing down drastically. Unless you are racing someone that is a pro drag racer on a bike, chances are it won't take as much power to beat them as a lot of bike owners will have you believe.

Beating 1000's will take a minimum of mid 600's though and some damn good driving. If you're running a Busa or ZX14 you better be driving a small rocketship.
Old Oct 7, 2011 | 05:20 PM
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Stock Turbo, 30psi, E85 my car would be side by side or nose a head or behind depending on the rider. Car made 400 on Virtual Dyno
Exactly like my setup and my experience with 600's. Their top end is pretty weak and the bikes I'm talking about have been newer 600's. The closest one was a really new GSXR 600 and he was ever so slowly falling back on the top end.
Old Oct 7, 2011 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by SRTRaceR04
This thread has partly turned to lulz.

To elaborate on my previous post, I will still stick by low 400's because a good percentage of riders can't ride to those times listed above or anywhere close. I'm saying you can beat 600's because I have. I've actually beaten good riders with mid 400's...on pump gas.

Keep in mind the drag coefficient of a motorcycle and the power of a modern 600. With the right rider 600's are stupid fast down low. Up top they are nowhere near as fast as 1K+ bikes though so they will start slowing down drastically. Unless you are racing someone that is a pro drag racer on a bike, chances are it won't take as much power to beat them as a lot of bike owners will have you believe.

Beating 1000's will take a minimum of mid 600's though and some damn good driving. If you're running a Busa or ZX14 you better be driving a small rocketship.
I think that sums it up the best.

Just for reference, it's going to take about 750-850whp to keep up with a Busa, and that's probably not beating it. If it's a modified busa making 200-250whp, it's going to take about 1000-1100whp to keep up. And if the busa is making 300ish whp, it's going to take about 1400whp or so to keep up. But that's just absurd to even talk about.
Old Oct 7, 2011 | 06:43 PM
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well obviously bakery races aren't hard. But I thought we were talking about being grown ups here and going from a dig. **** the baker.
Dude you're talking about being a grown up and racing from a dig...then you post that your ran a 10.8 at 132.....on a busa.....look not trying to be a dick since obviously you know that time is atrocious. Food for thought, slip the clutch so you can get out of the hole….that bike should be an easy low ten, and a high 9 with practice.

Side Note: Bakery race?? Did you make that up?? Because they use a rolling pin in a bakery and you associate that with racing?? Jesus……
Old Oct 7, 2011 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by BigDaddyCain
I think that sums it up the best.

Just for reference, it's going to take about 750-850whp to keep up with a Busa, and that's probably not beating it. If it's a modified busa making 200-250whp, it's going to take about 1000-1100whp to keep up. And if the busa is making 300ish whp, it's going to take about 1400whp or so to keep up. But that's just absurd to even talk about.

Underground racing's Gallardo beat on a 300 whp busa......it was in the 1500 whp range....it walked it like it was standing still

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxTAbxIAMU4

fast forward to 2:20

but that has nothing to do with EVO's......just thought it was cool lol
Old Oct 7, 2011 | 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Teal2nnr
Dude you're talking about being a grown up and racing from a dig...then you post that your ran a 10.8 at 132.....on a busa.....look not trying to be a dick since obviously you know that time is atrocious. Food for thought, slip the clutch so you can get out of the hole….that bike should be an easy low ten, and a high 9 with practice.

Side Note: Bakery race?? Did you make that up?? Because they use a rolling pin in a bakery and you associate that with racing?? Jesus……
My first track visit EVER on a bike. I know that time is actrocious. You act like I was supposed to go out there and just master it on my first visit ever. Have you ever launched a bike? It's a lot harder than it seems.

And I agree that the vid of the lambos and Busa race is pretty cool. But there's more to the story than what that vid shows. If you check on hayabusa.org, you'll see that bike was not making near the power that the rider claimed. Supposedly it's about a 250whp bike, but he also said that he found out his nitrous wasn't working at all that night. He said that he was just spraying fuel instead of nitrous (wet shot obviously) and basically running very rich.

Anyways, still a cool vid. Underground is bad ***. They are out of NC and I'm from SC. I've been up to their shop. Just amazing machines.

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Old Oct 7, 2011 | 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by BigDaddyCain
My first track visit EVER on a bike. I know that time is actrocious. You act like I was supposed to go out there and just master it on my first visit ever. Have you ever launched a bike? It's a lot harder than it seems.

And I agree that the vid of the lambos and Busa race is pretty cool. But there's more to the story than what that vid shows. If you check on hayabusa.org, you'll see that bike was not making near the power that the rider claimed. Supposedly it's about a 250whp bike, but he also said that he found out his nitrous wasn't working at all that night. He said that he was just spraying fuel instead of nitrous (wet shot obviously) and basically running very rich.

Anyways, still a cool vid. Underground is bad ***. They are out of NC and I'm from SC. I've been up to their shop. Just amazing machines.

I actually used to drag race a stretched 10R, now i just road race bikes.....i find it much more fun. I'm just bustin your *****, with a bike like a busa with almost 100 ft/lbs of TQ and a what...190hp?? stock?? its a ***** to keep the front end down i'm sure, especially without a stretched swing arm.

Anyway that would make sence with the Lambo pulling so hard....I thought a true 300 whp Busa would fair better.
Old Oct 7, 2011 | 09:47 PM
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exactly. my bike is stretched 6 inches and stock otherwise. I was on a street tire getting pretty slick on my first visit to the track. So I couldn't launch too hard. I would spin pretty bad coming out of the hole, and that was launching soft. Kind of scary. It spun going into 2nd too. I put a shinko drag tire on it, but didn't get a chance to make another pass as I had to go back to my base overseas. Ran out of leave.

and yea, that busa didn't fair well at all. a true 300whp busa would have done much better. Busa's only make like 150-160whp stock. Yea they make a lot of tq, but that also makes launching them not so easy. I'll get it figured out eventually. It was definitely fun though, and I can't wait to do it again.
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500+, otherwise the rider is a squid as stated earlier. Especially these new 600's. New 600's are running faster than liter bike's were 10 years ago.
Old Oct 8, 2011 | 03:09 AM
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Old Oct 8, 2011 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by BigDaddyCain
exactly. my bike is stretched 6 inches and stock otherwise. I was on a street tire getting pretty slick on my first visit to the track. So I couldn't launch too hard. I would spin pretty bad coming out of the hole, and that was launching soft. Kind of scary. It spun going into 2nd too. I put a shinko drag tire on it, but didn't get a chance to make another pass as I had to go back to my base overseas. Ran out of leave.

and yea, that busa didn't fair well at all. a true 300whp busa would have done much better. Busa's only make like 150-160whp stock. Yea they make a lot of tq, but that also makes launching them not so easy. I'll get it figured out eventually. It was definitely fun though, and I can't wait to do it again.
Didn't you know? Everybody on the internet is a pro racer. Especially when it comes to bikes. If you can't run 7.0 in your 600 then you are a squid.

Back in reality where bikers aren't what they think they are things are a bit different. Launching bikes is not exactly easy, especially without practice. I've never seen someone go to the track and just dominate the first time out. You can't do that **** in a car, why the hell would you be abke to do that on a bike??

And the times posted on page one are confusing as well. I know liter bikes are good for those trap speeds, but what I've personally seen at my local track is a bit different. There is a local guy here that is friends with a couple of my friends. I've never seen him not in full leathers when he rides. It's leathers or no riding for him I think. I've heard that hes sponsored by a smaller team and does a ton of road course racing. He's also at the drag strip a decent amount. The guy can definitely ride. He runs 10.4 consistently on his stock 09 r1 pretty much every pass. He only traps 134 though. He may trap higher but I've personally seen him make at least 15 passes and it was pretty much 10.4x at 134 every time. Not once did I see that bike get near 140. And he's a tiny guy, maybe 145lbs soaking wet, so weight isn't a factor.

Bikes are definitely the most speed for the money that you can by. They are not unbeatable though as some riders would have you think. Run a 600 from 50+ and you won't need 500hp. If you run them from like a 20 its a different story. I've run the same bike at a 55 and a 25. At 55 I was about a car and a half in front by the end. From the 25 he was 2 cars out by 100. He got a huge lead at the very beginning and I couldn't close the gap in time.
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^well said!
Old Oct 8, 2011 | 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Remixx02
500+, otherwise the rider is a squid as stated earlier. Especially these new 600's. New 600's are running faster than liter bike's were 10 years ago.
the newer bike's are actually starting to get tuned down, my 08 600rr puts down around 107hp and the new 600rr are putting down around 104 and they are a little bit heavier also, it clearly stated in bike magazines that some of the newer bikes have been slower then earlier models

just so you know! the 600cc and 1000cc superbike class are pretty much within a second of each other in the 1/4mile.. there is waay more technology put into the 600cc bikes then the 1000cc bike, motorcycles have taken a huge leap from just five years ago
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ridiculous thread is ridiculous.


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