How do you find out if a color is a 1,2 or 3 stage? help
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How do you find out if a color is a 1,2 or 3 stage? help
im having my evo 8 resprayed. its was starting out to be lambo orange but i decided to go another route and i want it to be Bright Atlantic Blue from a 98-00 mustang paint code is K7/M6863 can anyone tell me how to find out how many stages it is?
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Any color (other than pearls) can be made in a base only or Base Coat/Clear Coat system. Most modern automotive finishes are base coat/clear coats. Only true exotics, or custom paint jobs are a 3 coat system.
From the factory K7 (Bright Atlantic Blue) was a Base Coat/Clear Coat.
Ford Part # M6863
PPG # 5304
Dupont # B9814
However... This color was used on some of the most mass produced vehicles on the planet...
Ford Pickup trucks
Mustangs
Mercury Line
Escorts
Focus
If you like it... that's fine... But it's the same cost to go with something a bit more unique.
From the factory K7 (Bright Atlantic Blue) was a Base Coat/Clear Coat.
Ford Part # M6863
PPG # 5304
Dupont # B9814
However... This color was used on some of the most mass produced vehicles on the planet...
Ford Pickup trucks
Mustangs
Mercury Line
Escorts
Focus
If you like it... that's fine... But it's the same cost to go with something a bit more unique.
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Any color (other than pearls) can be made in a base only or Base Coat/Clear Coat system. Most modern automotive finishes are base coat/clear coats. Only true exotics, or custom paint jobs are a 3 coat system.
From the factory K7 (Bright Atlantic Blue) was a Base Coat/Clear Coat.
Ford Part # M6863
PPG # 5304
Dupont # B9814
However... This color was used on some of the most mass produced vehicles on the planet...
Ford Pickup trucks
Mustangs
Mercury Line
Escorts
Focus
If you like it... that's fine... But it's the same cost to go with something a bit more unique.
From the factory K7 (Bright Atlantic Blue) was a Base Coat/Clear Coat.
Ford Part # M6863
PPG # 5304
Dupont # B9814
However... This color was used on some of the most mass produced vehicles on the planet...
Ford Pickup trucks
Mustangs
Mercury Line
Escorts
Focus
If you like it... that's fine... But it's the same cost to go with something a bit more unique.
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I know I am going to sound like a (euphimism for ***** inserted here), but paint is paint is paint... Lambo uses PPG paint, and a metalic PPG paint for a ford costs the exact same as a PPG paint for a Lamborghini...
Lambo doesn't use pearls on their colored cars (not sure on their white), so it's just a metallic base coat/clear coat system just like the Fords... Perhaps using the term "Lambo Orange" might make your paint guy sell you a load of dreams with a high cost...
Perhaps he's selling you a low grade production paint line with Ford, and a high show car grade paint line with the lambo... but for the same paint line, you will pay (near if not exactly) the same cost for the same paint code.
Just give your paint guy the PPG paint code, rather than say "Lambo Orange"
Here are the different Lamborghini Oranges with their PPG paint codes:
Arancio Ishtar
PPG 0057
Used on Murcialagos 2000-2010
![](http://www.lambocars.com/images/murcielago/mur139.jpg)
Arancio Borialis
PPG 905385
Used on Gallardos![](http://www.lambocars.com/images/gallardo/gall89.jpg)
Arancia Argos
PPG 0117
Used On the new Aventador
![](http://www.lambocars.com/images/aventador/lp700_23.jpg)
There's also
Arancio Atlas and Arancio Diablo used on the Diablos
Arancio BT used on some Murias, Silloettes, and I believe the Countachs (non metalic... kinda boring
Arancio California used on the Countach (again Boring) and a few other non-metalic oranges...
The cost of metalics (which it seems you want) is only a fraction more than solids... but a metalic is a metalic is a metalic weather it's sprayed on a Yugo or a Aventador it's the same.
The only reason you would spend more on "Lambo Orange" is if you purchased it through the lamborghini dealership, which purchases it from PPG. The same way that buying Ford paint is more expensive buying it from Ford insted of Dupont.
Lambo doesn't use pearls on their colored cars (not sure on their white), so it's just a metallic base coat/clear coat system just like the Fords... Perhaps using the term "Lambo Orange" might make your paint guy sell you a load of dreams with a high cost...
Perhaps he's selling you a low grade production paint line with Ford, and a high show car grade paint line with the lambo... but for the same paint line, you will pay (near if not exactly) the same cost for the same paint code.
Just give your paint guy the PPG paint code, rather than say "Lambo Orange"
Here are the different Lamborghini Oranges with their PPG paint codes:
Arancio Ishtar
PPG 0057
Used on Murcialagos 2000-2010
![](http://www.lambocars.com/images/murcielago/mur139.jpg)
Arancio Borialis
PPG 905385
Used on Gallardos
![](http://www.lambocars.com/images/gallardo/gall89.jpg)
Arancia Argos
PPG 0117
Used On the new Aventador
![](http://www.lambocars.com/images/aventador/lp700_23.jpg)
There's also
Arancio Atlas and Arancio Diablo used on the Diablos
Arancio BT used on some Murias, Silloettes, and I believe the Countachs (non metalic... kinda boring
Arancio California used on the Countach (again Boring) and a few other non-metalic oranges...
The cost of metalics (which it seems you want) is only a fraction more than solids... but a metalic is a metalic is a metalic weather it's sprayed on a Yugo or a Aventador it's the same.
The only reason you would spend more on "Lambo Orange" is if you purchased it through the lamborghini dealership, which purchases it from PPG. The same way that buying Ford paint is more expensive buying it from Ford insted of Dupont.
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As I said "Other than Pearls"
all a 3 step paint job is, is a base coat, a tint coat, then a clear coat... The tint coat is a transparent coat with some type of mild solid in it (either a candy, or a pearl).
No paint job is "Cheap" if done right... the cost of a 3 stage job should be half again as much as a 2 stage paint job, as all you are doing is laying a coat of tint on after the base coat. The problem with a 3 stage paint job is that you have to have an experienced painter doing the work with proper overlap and technique or you get tiger striping in your paint.
Any monkey with a paint gun and some money can paint a basecoat/clearcoat job. It takes experience to spray a 3 stage.
I have a car sitting in my garage in Florida waiting for a 3 stage paint job. the body is going to be painted a silver called "carbon fiber"(The same hue as carbon fiber). The carbon fiber hood and sunroof will be scuff sanded with no basecoat. The whole car will then be painted with black candy, then burried with 3 coats of clear. This should give the car a bright gunmettal effect when viewed straight on, with the accents and high angle surfaces apearing black. it will blend in the carbon fiber surfaces with the weave only visable when inspected closely.
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As I said "Other than Pearls"
all a 3 step paint job is, is a base coat, a tint coat, then a clear coat... The tint coat is a transparent coat with some type of mild solid in it (either a candy, or a pearl).
No paint job is "Cheap" if done right... the cost of a 3 stage job should be half again as much as a 2 stage paint job, as all you are doing is laying a coat of tint on after the base coat. The problem with a 3 stage paint job is that you have to have an experienced painter doing the work with proper overlap and technique or you get tiger striping in your paint.
Any monkey with a paint gun and some money can paint a basecoat/clearcoat job. It takes experience to spray a 3 stage.
I have a car sitting in my garage in Florida waiting for a 3 stage paint job. the body is going to be painted a silver called "carbon fiber"(The same hue as carbon fiber). The carbon fiber hood and sunroof will be scuff sanded with no basecoat. The whole car will then be painted with black candy, then burried with 3 coats of clear. This should give the car a bright gunmettal effect when viewed straight on, with the accents and high angle surfaces apearing black. it will blend in the carbon fiber surfaces with the weave only visable when inspected closely.
all a 3 step paint job is, is a base coat, a tint coat, then a clear coat... The tint coat is a transparent coat with some type of mild solid in it (either a candy, or a pearl).
No paint job is "Cheap" if done right... the cost of a 3 stage job should be half again as much as a 2 stage paint job, as all you are doing is laying a coat of tint on after the base coat. The problem with a 3 stage paint job is that you have to have an experienced painter doing the work with proper overlap and technique or you get tiger striping in your paint.
Any monkey with a paint gun and some money can paint a basecoat/clearcoat job. It takes experience to spray a 3 stage.
I have a car sitting in my garage in Florida waiting for a 3 stage paint job. the body is going to be painted a silver called "carbon fiber"(The same hue as carbon fiber). The carbon fiber hood and sunroof will be scuff sanded with no basecoat. The whole car will then be painted with black candy, then burried with 3 coats of clear. This should give the car a bright gunmettal effect when viewed straight on, with the accents and high angle surfaces apearing black. it will blend in the carbon fiber surfaces with the weave only visable when inspected closely.
Sounds cool what paint line? How many coats of candy are you going to lay down?
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The base coat is either going to be Summit Racing (as they already have the color I am looking for below) Or going with a DuPont Chroma Base in the same Hue with a bit thicker metalic flake.
![](http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/sum-swbc529_w.jpg)
The Black Candy Mid coat will most likely be Alsa's Color Blender with their Candy Concentrate (Below pictured over silver with heavy flake.... mine will be a much thinner candy for lighter hue change)
As for how many coats, it's all going to depend on how much of a shift I am getting from each coat... It's going to be between 2 and 6. I will have to spray out a few speed shapes to test things out before painting the car.
![](http://www.alsacorp.com/products/candyconcentrates/images/order/candy03_L.jpg)
Top coat will either be Alsa's Sunscreen Clear, or DuPont's Chroma Clear...
I still want to do some research, on the clear... but I am kinda leaning towards the chroma clear as I can add their flex additive to it for my bumpers/hood/sunroof as those will be flexable and don't want to risk spider-webbing.
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