Paint chips / deep scratches on Brembos, what to do?
#1
Paint chips / deep scratches on Brembos, what to do?
So I change my brake pads yesterday, and managed to chip, scratch, and pull the clear coat in some areas of my front calipers. The car only has 15.5k on it so I'm pretty pissed.
First of all, someone please explain to me how it's possible to change the pads without doing some type of damage to them... I was trying to be as careful as possible, but still managed to screw them up. When I was using pliers to push the pistons in to remove the old pads I covered the calipers with a shop towel, and still put deep scratches in them. When Hammering the pin back in, paint chips. Then in some areas it looks like the clear coat has been taken off. Can copper anti-seize strip the clear coat? I was making sure to wipe it off as fast as possible. Then when putting the wheels back on, I hit caliper and of course caused a paint chip...
Here are some pics:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28929927@N03/8239552692/http://www.flickr.com/photos/28929927@N03/8239552692/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/28929927@N03/, on Flickr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28929927@N03/8238486837/http://www.flickr.com/photos/28929927@N03/8238486837/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/28929927@N03/, on Flickr
What is my best course of action? Do they have to be re-painted? Is there touch-up paint that could be used? If this is not fixed immediately will the problems only get worse?
Thanks...
First of all, someone please explain to me how it's possible to change the pads without doing some type of damage to them... I was trying to be as careful as possible, but still managed to screw them up. When I was using pliers to push the pistons in to remove the old pads I covered the calipers with a shop towel, and still put deep scratches in them. When Hammering the pin back in, paint chips. Then in some areas it looks like the clear coat has been taken off. Can copper anti-seize strip the clear coat? I was making sure to wipe it off as fast as possible. Then when putting the wheels back on, I hit caliper and of course caused a paint chip...
Here are some pics:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28929927@N03/8239552692/http://www.flickr.com/photos/28929927@N03/8239552692/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/28929927@N03/, on Flickr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28929927@N03/8238486837/http://www.flickr.com/photos/28929927@N03/8238486837/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/28929927@N03/, on Flickr
What is my best course of action? Do they have to be re-painted? Is there touch-up paint that could be used? If this is not fixed immediately will the problems only get worse?
Thanks...
#2
If the clear coat is damaged then it will likely get worse over time, peeling separating etc. Sort of a once it starts thing.
Some of the scratches look like they are only superficial and might be able to be improved through some combination of sanding, wet sanding, re clear coating, polishing(?)...Maybe.
Note: The above are guesses, they could be way off the mark but I hope I was some help.
Some of the scratches look like they are only superficial and might be able to be improved through some combination of sanding, wet sanding, re clear coating, polishing(?)...Maybe.
Note: The above are guesses, they could be way off the mark but I hope I was some help.
#3
If the clear coat is damaged then it will likely get worse over time, peeling separating etc. Sort of a once it starts thing.
Some of the scratches look like they are only superficial and might be able to be improved through some combination of sanding, wet sanding, re clear coating, polishing(?)...Maybe.
Note: The above are guesses, they could be way off the mark but I hope I was some help.
Some of the scratches look like they are only superficial and might be able to be improved through some combination of sanding, wet sanding, re clear coating, polishing(?)...Maybe.
Note: The above are guesses, they could be way off the mark but I hope I was some help.
I've read that Guards Red Model Paint can be used, so I may try that out for now, and then full re-paint the brembos after the winter.
#4
The calipers aren't going to self destruct if you have some chipped paint. If you're worried about how they look then you have two options: pay a fortune to have them powder coated by a shop, or spend an afternoon and paint them yourself. I'm sure there is a DIY floating around but ill explain briefly how i did mine. TBH i probably spent $25 redoing all of mine. If you go this route, make sure you have newspaper and tape to make fittings/holes off. Also don't get the stripper on your skin. Hope this helps.
remove caliper from the car and hose is down with this stuff
use a wire brush or something to get ALL of the paint off down to the bare metal. Make 4-5 LIGHT coats with this stuff. Let each coat dry for maybe an hour
Go on ebay and buy some $5 high temp brembo labels. When you apply, make sure the caliper has been left to dry for 2 hours or so, otherwise the moisture in the wet paint will lift the letters.
clear everything over with several light coats. Let dry, reinstall calipers and dont mess them up again with the wheels this time.
remove caliper from the car and hose is down with this stuff
use a wire brush or something to get ALL of the paint off down to the bare metal. Make 4-5 LIGHT coats with this stuff. Let each coat dry for maybe an hour
Go on ebay and buy some $5 high temp brembo labels. When you apply, make sure the caliper has been left to dry for 2 hours or so, otherwise the moisture in the wet paint will lift the letters.
clear everything over with several light coats. Let dry, reinstall calipers and dont mess them up again with the wheels this time.
Last edited by djdnav; Dec 3, 2012 at 06:44 PM.
#5
Thanks for that! I was actually checking out the Brembo paint how-to and it looked fairly simple, and your post just made me more confident.
I noticed a lot of people hang them up with a coat hanger, is that the best option when painting them?
I noticed a lot of people hang them up with a coat hanger, is that the best option when painting them?
#6
+1 on the solutions above
second, ive highlighted exactly where you went wrong..... use a nail set to tap the pins back in so you arent smashing the pins in with a hammer..... if your gonna use a tool that has any kind of teeth in them to apply pressure and dont want to wreck it you need more then a shop towel layer a shop towels and a small piece of would. something to take the bite away.
second, ive highlighted exactly where you went wrong..... use a nail set to tap the pins back in so you arent smashing the pins in with a hammer..... if your gonna use a tool that has any kind of teeth in them to apply pressure and dont want to wreck it you need more then a shop towel layer a shop towels and a small piece of would. something to take the bite away.
So I change my brake pads yesterday, and managed to chip, scratch, and pull the clear coat in some areas of my front calipers. The car only has 15.5k on it so I'm pretty pissed.
First of all, someone please explain to me how it's possible to change the pads without doing some type of damage to them... I was trying to be as careful as possible, but still managed to screw them up. When I was using pliers to push the pistons in to remove the old pads I covered the calipers with a shop towel, and still put deep scratches in them. When Hammering the pin back in, paint chips. Then in some areas it looks like the clear coat has been taken off. Can copper anti-seize strip the clear coat? I was making sure to wipe it off as fast as possible. Then when putting the wheels back on, I hit caliper and of course caused a paint chip...
Here are some pics:
DSC_0128 by dgerbe, on Flickr
DSC_0127 by dgerbe, on Flickr
What is my best course of action? Do they have to be re-painted? Is there touch-up paint that could be used? If this is not fixed immediately will the problems only get worse?
Thanks...
First of all, someone please explain to me how it's possible to change the pads without doing some type of damage to them... I was trying to be as careful as possible, but still managed to screw them up. When I was using pliers to push the pistons in to remove the old pads I covered the calipers with a shop towel, and still put deep scratches in them. When Hammering the pin back in, paint chips. Then in some areas it looks like the clear coat has been taken off. Can copper anti-seize strip the clear coat? I was making sure to wipe it off as fast as possible. Then when putting the wheels back on, I hit caliper and of course caused a paint chip...
Here are some pics:
DSC_0128 by dgerbe, on Flickr
DSC_0127 by dgerbe, on Flickr
What is my best course of action? Do they have to be re-painted? Is there touch-up paint that could be used? If this is not fixed immediately will the problems only get worse?
Thanks...
#7
I picked up the DupliColor kit. Found it much easier to brush it on than spray it on. I have been advised though to ditch the brush in the box for something a bit better.
Although, I'd give anything for mine to look as "bad" as yours do right now. LOL
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#8
+1 on the solutions above
second, ive highlighted exactly where you went wrong..... use a nail set to tap the pins back in so you arent smashing the pins in with a hammer..... if your gonna use a tool that has any kind of teeth in them to apply pressure and dont want to wreck it you need more then a shop towel layer a shop towels and a small piece of would. something to take the bite away.
second, ive highlighted exactly where you went wrong..... use a nail set to tap the pins back in so you arent smashing the pins in with a hammer..... if your gonna use a tool that has any kind of teeth in them to apply pressure and dont want to wreck it you need more then a shop towel layer a shop towels and a small piece of would. something to take the bite away.
It also comes down to improper tools. I was using a Phillips head screwdriver to tap out the pins so the surface area at the point of contact was not very large. It made it impossible to push them back in with the screwdriver and the hammer. I will have to invest in a nail set.
I also need a better method for pushing the pistons back in. Basically what I ended up doing was using a flat head to push the piston back in. I kept pushing 1 in and then the other until I got them "balanced" enough to fit the new pad in. This is definitely not the way to do it. I almost just want to invest in the Girodisc Caliper piston spreader, but I don't think it's worth it for me...
Also, is it possible that the anti-seize compound could have stripped the clear coat?
That works, but remember you'll have to bleed the brakes again. Up to you what takes more time...bleeding or prepping them on the car and masking everything off.
I picked up the DupliColor kit. Found it much easier to brush it on than spray it on. I have been advised though to ditch the brush in the box for something a bit better.
Although, I'd give anything for mine to look as "bad" as yours do right now. LOL
I picked up the DupliColor kit. Found it much easier to brush it on than spray it on. I have been advised though to ditch the brush in the box for something a bit better.
Although, I'd give anything for mine to look as "bad" as yours do right now. LOL
For a quick fix I may just just use some brush on paint.
The calipers looked mint before my stupid *** started working around them... That's why I am pissed. I also thought that they would corrode with no paint on them.
Last edited by Kreeker; Dec 4, 2012 at 08:42 AM.
#10
Yeah I wasn't really thinking at the time. I was doing it at night, and had crappy lighting in my garage so I was getting very frustrated and did not notice the damage I was causing.
It also comes down to improper tools. I was using a Phillips head screwdriver to tap out the pins so the surface area at the point of contact was not very large. It made it impossible to push them back in with the screwdriver and the hammer. I will have to invest in a nail set.
I also need a better method for pushing the pistons back in. Basically what I ended up doing was using a flat head to push the piston back in. I kept pushing 1 in and then the other until I got them "balanced" enough to fit the new pad in. This is definitely not the way to do it. I almost just want to invest in the Girodisc Caliper piston spreader, but I don't think it's worth it for me...
Also, is it possible that the anti-seize compound could have stripped the clear coat?
Can't you do a much better job completely removing the calipers? I'm going to be getting a power bleeder soon, so I don't think bleeding the brakes should be that much of a hassle?
For a quick fix I may just just use some brush on paint.
The calipers looked mint before my stupid *** started working around them... That's why I am pissed. I also thought that they would corrode with no paint on them.
It also comes down to improper tools. I was using a Phillips head screwdriver to tap out the pins so the surface area at the point of contact was not very large. It made it impossible to push them back in with the screwdriver and the hammer. I will have to invest in a nail set.
I also need a better method for pushing the pistons back in. Basically what I ended up doing was using a flat head to push the piston back in. I kept pushing 1 in and then the other until I got them "balanced" enough to fit the new pad in. This is definitely not the way to do it. I almost just want to invest in the Girodisc Caliper piston spreader, but I don't think it's worth it for me...
Also, is it possible that the anti-seize compound could have stripped the clear coat?
Can't you do a much better job completely removing the calipers? I'm going to be getting a power bleeder soon, so I don't think bleeding the brakes should be that much of a hassle?
For a quick fix I may just just use some brush on paint.
The calipers looked mint before my stupid *** started working around them... That's why I am pissed. I also thought that they would corrode with no paint on them.
Plus, when I start doing things like this...I would be tempted to replace things like the lines w/ SS because, you know...I already have it apart. LOL
It's a snowball effect...tough for me to fight at times.
#13
if you try and do them on the car theres a chance you'll get over spray on your paint, so it's really not worth it. When i say masking, i meant masking the pistons and bleed fittings etc on the caliper when it is removed from the car. you dont paint the inside-middle of the caliper.
Of course if you remove the calipers from the lines you will need to bleed/ add fluid but i said my description was brief. Bleeding all 4 calipers with the wheels off+ car of stands shouldn't take more than an hour.
Yes, coat hangers work fine however i just let mine dry on newspaper (you don't have to worry about paint coming off if you do LIGHT coats and let each one dry properly)
Of course if you remove the calipers from the lines you will need to bleed/ add fluid but i said my description was brief. Bleeding all 4 calipers with the wheels off+ car of stands shouldn't take more than an hour.
Yes, coat hangers work fine however i just let mine dry on newspaper (you don't have to worry about paint coming off if you do LIGHT coats and let each one dry properly)