retrofit s2k cluster into evo 9?
Dec 29, 2012 | 03:19 PM
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Dec 30, 2012 | 10:43 AM
#34
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I think the "show" scene with imports died about a decade ago.
Body kits, wild body modifications, epic paint schemes etc.
Even jdm style has come and went.
Today's scene is more for the purists. The ones who didn't jump to the scene because of some fad. For the most part, the scene today is more of a form follows function scene. Ie a part is designed to function, looking good is the bonus.
The "stance" scene is somewhat popular in certain groups, but like the other scenes, will die off.
This is why the cluster idea isn't finding open arms in this community. Just like the X front end on a IX did.
If you posted it installed, clean and functional...I bet the responses would be more favorable.
Body kits, wild body modifications, epic paint schemes etc.
Even jdm style has come and went.
Today's scene is more for the purists. The ones who didn't jump to the scene because of some fad. For the most part, the scene today is more of a form follows function scene. Ie a part is designed to function, looking good is the bonus.
The "stance" scene is somewhat popular in certain groups, but like the other scenes, will die off.
This is why the cluster idea isn't finding open arms in this community. Just like the X front end on a IX did.
If you posted it installed, clean and functional...I bet the responses would be more favorable.
Dec 30, 2012 | 12:46 PM
#35
When I was in one of my engineering classes, I had a class with a PhD who was on the ergonomics team for the Apache Helicopter.
When they first designed the layout for the Apache, they used mostly digital displays. During daylight hours, they found that everything was fine... However, once they switched to night-time testing, they had numerous instances where the pilots were flying the choppers into the desert floor. They also found that the pilots were often times unaware that of their altitude at any given moment, or that they were losing altitude.
After lots of interviewing the pilots, they discovered a flaw with digital displays... Digital displays need to be read... analog displays need to be recognized.
What this means, is that when you see numbers (digital display)... you have to look at those numbers, and your brain needs to interpret their meaning. While with an analog display, your brain immediately can interpret their meaning.
Think of it this way... you see a digital display, rapidly descending from 2000 to zero. Not only do the numbers change so fast, that an 8, 5 and 2 can look quite the same... but you have to read the numbers, internally calculate the change of those numbers and what that means.... by the time you do that, you have now impacted the desert floor....
VS..
a needle rapidly swinging to the left. You don't need to know exactly the reading, but you immediately know the meaning.
When they realized this fact.... the redesigned the cockpit of the apache using analog gauges, and eliminated the controlled flight into terrain problem, and the pilots were much more aware of what the aircraft was doing.
You will now find that even aircraft with glass cockpits... that the screens give graphical interpretations of analog gauges.
This goes along with true race car dash designs. all critical gauges are either analog with an idiot/warning light, or have been replaced entirely with a single (or sieries of) idiot light(s). In situations where you should be focusing on the task at hand, you should not be distracted with information that needs to be processed
Now back on topic:
I personally think the dash is dated.... here's an S2K dash:
Here is a pontiac 6000 dash circa 1982
not too different.
Last edited by hatesposers; Dec 30, 2012 at 12:55 PM.
Dec 30, 2012 | 01:02 PM
#36
Just a warning on digital gauges.... I learned a lesson back in school that has followed me with cockpit design to this day. This is a little off topic, but kind of fits in here....
When I was in one of my engineering classes, I had a class with a PhD who was on the ergonomics team for the Apache Helicopter.
When they first designed the layout for the Apache, they used mostly digital displays. During daylight hours, they found that everything was fine... However, once they switched to night-time testing, they had numerous instances where the pilots were flying the choppers into the desert floor. They also found that the pilots were often times unaware that of their altitude at any given moment, or that they were losing altitude.
After lots of interviewing the pilots, they discovered a flaw with digital displays... Digital displays need to be read... analog displays need to be recognized.
What this means, is that when you see numbers (digital display)... you have to look at those numbers, and your brain needs to interpret their meaning. While with an analog display, your brain immediately can interpret their meaning.
Think of it this way... you see a digital display, rapidly descending from 2000 to zero. Not only do the numbers change so fast, that an 8, 5 and 2 can look quite the same... but you have to read the numbers, internally calculate the change of those numbers and what that means.... by the time you do that, you have now impacted the desert floor....
VS..
a needle rapidly swinging to the left. You don't need to know exactly the reading, but you immediately know the meaning.
When they realized this fact.... the redesigned the cockpit of the apache using analog gauges, and eliminated the controlled flight into terrain problem, and the pilots were much more aware of what the aircraft was doing.
You will now find that even aircraft with glass cockpits... that the screens give graphical interpretations of analog gauges.
This goes along with true race car dash designs. all critical gauges are either analog with an idiot/warning light, or have been replaced entirely with a single (or sieries of) idiot light(s). In situations where you should be focusing on the task at hand, you should not be distracted with information that needs to be processed
When I was in one of my engineering classes, I had a class with a PhD who was on the ergonomics team for the Apache Helicopter.
When they first designed the layout for the Apache, they used mostly digital displays. During daylight hours, they found that everything was fine... However, once they switched to night-time testing, they had numerous instances where the pilots were flying the choppers into the desert floor. They also found that the pilots were often times unaware that of their altitude at any given moment, or that they were losing altitude.
After lots of interviewing the pilots, they discovered a flaw with digital displays... Digital displays need to be read... analog displays need to be recognized.
What this means, is that when you see numbers (digital display)... you have to look at those numbers, and your brain needs to interpret their meaning. While with an analog display, your brain immediately can interpret their meaning.
Think of it this way... you see a digital display, rapidly descending from 2000 to zero. Not only do the numbers change so fast, that an 8, 5 and 2 can look quite the same... but you have to read the numbers, internally calculate the change of those numbers and what that means.... by the time you do that, you have now impacted the desert floor....
VS..
a needle rapidly swinging to the left. You don't need to know exactly the reading, but you immediately know the meaning.
When they realized this fact.... the redesigned the cockpit of the apache using analog gauges, and eliminated the controlled flight into terrain problem, and the pilots were much more aware of what the aircraft was doing.
You will now find that even aircraft with glass cockpits... that the screens give graphical interpretations of analog gauges.
This goes along with true race car dash designs. all critical gauges are either analog with an idiot/warning light, or have been replaced entirely with a single (or sieries of) idiot light(s). In situations where you should be focusing on the task at hand, you should not be distracted with information that needs to be processed
Dec 30, 2012 | 03:04 PM
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I remember when I had my Honda they tak of getting that dash in a Civic and it was a herculean effort then. I think someone figured it out and now they are a little more common place.
If it can barely work amongst honda products why in the hell would anyone think it will work without a ridiculous effort being made in another car make?
If it can barely work amongst honda products why in the hell would anyone think it will work without a ridiculous effort being made in another car make?
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