Suprising...is the EVO dangerous in side impacts...
Feb 19, 2004 | 09:08 AM
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Re: Suprising...is the EVO dangerous in side impacts...
Originally posted by Conduit
I was just doing some cursory research this evening, and noticed that the NHTSA side impact rating for the Lancer is 2 stars. The pelvic decel measurement was almost double the Impreza's at 85g vs. 54g.
Now where this gets sticky, at least a bit, is that the "Evolution" they rate is actually just a base model Lancer, and the Impreza is a wagon. Unless there is some serious reinforcement in the front doors of the evo, though, I don't see there being a huge leap from those values, however. I don't see the impreza wagon's body changing front seat side impact values very dramatically from the sedan either.
The rating is actually bad enough to make me second guess the Evo. The only car they tested that was worse in front seat side impacts is the "high likelihood of pelvic injury" Cavalier. Not exactly reassuring.
Am I crazy here to care? Would this info have affected anyone else's choice? I'd prefer to hear from those who might actually have someone really important to them in the car with them
Front and rear impact collisions you can mitigate somewhat by being a decent driver, but side impacts happen from factors more outside your control...thoughts?
I was just doing some cursory research this evening, and noticed that the NHTSA side impact rating for the Lancer is 2 stars. The pelvic decel measurement was almost double the Impreza's at 85g vs. 54g.
Now where this gets sticky, at least a bit, is that the "Evolution" they rate is actually just a base model Lancer, and the Impreza is a wagon. Unless there is some serious reinforcement in the front doors of the evo, though, I don't see there being a huge leap from those values, however. I don't see the impreza wagon's body changing front seat side impact values very dramatically from the sedan either.
The rating is actually bad enough to make me second guess the Evo. The only car they tested that was worse in front seat side impacts is the "high likelihood of pelvic injury" Cavalier. Not exactly reassuring.
Am I crazy here to care? Would this info have affected anyone else's choice? I'd prefer to hear from those who might actually have someone really important to them in the car with them
Front and rear impact collisions you can mitigate somewhat by being a decent driver, but side impacts happen from factors more outside your control...thoughts?
subaru and mitsu are not safe cars, if you want a safe car get a volvo or mercedes
Feb 19, 2004 | 09:16 AM
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bmw also makes some nice tanks. you can walk away from about anything in a seven series. and hey they make armored cars as well. that way if anyone throws a grenade or shoots a 45 at you, you'll be safe too 
Feb 19, 2004 | 09:28 AM
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Safety was a concern when I was decideding between the STi and the EVO. I truly almost didn't buy the EVO because the subbie offered side-airbags where the EVO didn't. The more I thought about it, I knew that I'd more than likely be going sideways a lot more in these two cars then most others. The difference being is going sideways and slamming into a tree or some other object would more than likely be a product of my driving skills and not the car.
The safest thing you can do is spend the money for an awd based performance driving school, where you can truly hone your skills to get out of situations that you might place yourself into in these types of cars.
The way I rationalized the EVO purchase was hell, if I'm gonna kill myself going sideways in a car, I at least know I'll die happy.
I wouldn't really compare a Lancer to an EVO in crash studies, not only is the body reinforced, the weight is different, the structure not only has more welds, but additional bracing and what not.
The safest thing you can do is spend the money for an awd based performance driving school, where you can truly hone your skills to get out of situations that you might place yourself into in these types of cars.
The way I rationalized the EVO purchase was hell, if I'm gonna kill myself going sideways in a car, I at least know I'll die happy.
I wouldn't really compare a Lancer to an EVO in crash studies, not only is the body reinforced, the weight is different, the structure not only has more welds, but additional bracing and what not.
Feb 19, 2004 | 09:43 AM
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Originally posted by kdogg
Maybe I'm the only one with this sentinment, but who cares? Honestly, it wasn't long ago many of us were driving 80's and early 90's beaters w/o airbags. I think many of us forget we use to jump our Huffy bikes with a banana seat, but without helmets on. I think today's society worries too much.
Maybe I'm the only one with this sentinment, but who cares? Honestly, it wasn't long ago many of us were driving 80's and early 90's beaters w/o airbags. I think many of us forget we use to jump our Huffy bikes with a banana seat, but without helmets on. I think today's society worries too much.
Feb 19, 2004 | 09:47 AM
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Re: Re: Suprising...is the EVO dangerous in side impacts...
Originally posted by maki
whats surprising about it?
subaru and mitsu are not safe cars, if you want a safe car get a volvo or mercedes
whats surprising about it?
subaru and mitsu are not safe cars, if you want a safe car get a volvo or mercedes
john
Feb 19, 2004 | 11:28 AM
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Re: Re: Suprising...is the EVO dangerous in side impacts...
Originally posted by maki
whats surprising about it?
subaru and mitsu are not safe cars, if you want a safe car get a volvo or mercedes
whats surprising about it?
subaru and mitsu are not safe cars, if you want a safe car get a volvo or mercedes
The 3-series is also very poorly rated in side impact collisions, but not as poor as the Evo. It's close, though.
As I said, I am not concerned about sliding off the road into a tree, that I can generally control, but I am certainly concerned with some dingus soccer mom raming into the side of my car with her 5000 lb SUV. If that happens, I'd like to at least maximize my chance to avoid serious pelvic injury. Just because some people spot welded the chassis for rigidity DOES NOT mean that it is more resistant to anything in a crash. That is defined by the material and the structure of...the sides, primarily Have you ever seen the side impact beams in an Impreza? I'd like to know what they look like in the EVO.
Feb 19, 2004 | 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by emulous
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The way I rationalized the EVO purchase was hell, if I'm gonna kill myself going sideways in a car, I at least know I'll die happy.
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The way I rationalized the EVO purchase was hell, if I'm gonna kill myself going sideways in a car, I at least know I'll die happy.
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Feb 19, 2004 | 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by kdogg
I would guess the extra welds would help, but it won't be known until they actually test an EVO model.
Maybe I'm the only one with this sentinment, but who cares? Honestly, it wasn't long ago many of us were driving 80's and early 90's beaters w/o airbags. I think many of us forget we use to jump our Huffy bikes with a banana seat, but without helmets on. I think today's society worries too much.
I would guess the extra welds would help, but it won't be known until they actually test an EVO model.
Maybe I'm the only one with this sentinment, but who cares? Honestly, it wasn't long ago many of us were driving 80's and early 90's beaters w/o airbags. I think many of us forget we use to jump our Huffy bikes with a banana seat, but without helmets on. I think today's society worries too much.
Keith
Feb 19, 2004 | 03:26 PM
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From the accidents ive seen of evo's , they seem to hold up very well considering the severity of some of the accidents shown on the boards , including the side impact accidents, but a side impact is about as bad as it gets, no matter what car it is, its usually going to be bad.
Feb 19, 2004 | 03:35 PM
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The way I rationalized the EVO purchase was hell, if I'm gonna kill myself going sideways in a car, I at least know I'll die happy.
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I'll 2nd that, and beside why are we using the Lancer crash test facts anyway.
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I'll 2nd that, and beside why are we using the Lancer crash test facts anyway.
Feb 19, 2004 | 03:47 PM
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one thing i know is that the roof is weak, example1 the guy that lent his black evo to his wife and she hit a pole or something and the pole fell on the roof. If there was someone in the back they would have got hit really badly.Example2 the video of the white evo that hits a turn to fast and goes off road and rolls it. Same thing.
Feb 19, 2004 | 04:17 PM
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Hmm, I'd imagine the evo is a tank compared to the standard lancer, as the STI is far more rigid than the standard WRX. As many have already pointed out, it has far more welds for structural rigidity. As for side impact curtains, that is definitely a detractor. Even without curtains, I just can't see the Evo being any less than a 3 star side impact rating, especially with its structural augmentation.
Since the car handles so well, I'd be willing to wager that the car has a great deal of side frame bolstering.
Since the car handles so well, I'd be willing to wager that the car has a great deal of side frame bolstering.