Brand and weight
Aug 16, 2014, 09:49 AM
#16
Mobil 1 is great oil.
No idea why there are negative opinions on this forum or any other: my family started using Mobil SHC Rally synthetic in 1980 on my dad's Escort RS, and soon after we learns of Mobil 1 and used it.
Mobil 1 was used in F1.
It was used in WRC.
Fusch from Germany may have been pioneer in synthetic oil but Mobil was right there.
And speaking of oil Motul 300V is obvious top oil.
I think there are many "impressions" today being shared, data is scarced and only few engine builders may have some indicative experience to help guide.
One such highly experienced Builder advised against Amsoil, although I used it.
No idea why there are negative opinions on this forum or any other: my family started using Mobil SHC Rally synthetic in 1980 on my dad's Escort RS, and soon after we learns of Mobil 1 and used it.
Mobil 1 was used in F1.
It was used in WRC.
Fusch from Germany may have been pioneer in synthetic oil but Mobil was right there.
And speaking of oil Motul 300V is obvious top oil.
I think there are many "impressions" today being shared, data is scarced and only few engine builders may have some indicative experience to help guide.
One such highly experienced Builder advised against Amsoil, although I used it.
Aug 16, 2014, 02:11 PM
#17
That's about as true as saying Monte Carlos, Corollas, and in truck series- Tundras, are used in NASCAR. Just like the NASCARS are based off that body style, its not at all the same thing. YES, Mobil 1 is used in race series like F1,Nascar, but I can tell you from speaking from engine builders I knew from Nascar teams, that Mobil 1 they use is not at all what you can get in the stores. Its specifically formulated for them. He wouldn't say much other than there are absolutely no additives in their race oil. Whatever it was they only cared for it to work for one race day.
Im just curious why your engine builder advised against AMSOIL?
Aug 18, 2014, 10:51 AM
#21
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Aug 18, 2014, 02:33 PM
#22
I mentioned that Mobil 1 and SHC Rally were used in competition to highlight participation and success at the top of motorsport and imply uncommon experience for ~30-40 years with Synthetic oil: along with Motul, Shell, Agip, Castrol, few can claim.
In F1 and WRC you are invited only if you can demonstrate an uncommon performance, and that sets some engine lubricant companies above all others.
Millers Nano molecular formula may not hold/produce true to marketing Advantages in power through friction mitigation but is also reputable and liked by many.
In F1 and WRC you are invited only if you can demonstrate an uncommon performance, and that sets some engine lubricant companies above all others.
Millers Nano molecular formula may not hold/produce true to marketing Advantages in power through friction mitigation but is also reputable and liked by many.
Aug 18, 2014, 02:33 PM
#23
I mentioned that Mobil 1 and SHC Rally were used in competition to highlight participation and success at the top of motorsport and imply uncommon experience for ~30-40 years with Synthetic oil: along with Motul, Shell, Agip, Castrol, few can claim.
In F1 and WRC you are invited only if you can demonstrate an uncommon performance, and that sets some engine lubricant companies above all others.
Millers Nano molecular formula may not hold/produce true to marketing Advantages in power through friction mitigation but is also reputable and liked by many.
In F1 and WRC you are invited only if you can demonstrate an uncommon performance, and that sets some engine lubricant companies above all others.
Millers Nano molecular formula may not hold/produce true to marketing Advantages in power through friction mitigation but is also reputable and liked by many.
Aug 18, 2014, 02:43 PM
#24
Also:
No reason to call me on " not specificy stating that all fuels and lubricants in F1/eTc are specially and individually formulated": it's assumed that we all understand similarly like its understood when Mobil states their Mobil 1 is used in racing, that is special bland and what is implied is that they disseminate the unique and crucial experiences, discoveries, and performance developments, into the oils we buy off the shelf:
Like Michelin tires recently made substantial leap in grip and endurance in the Pilot AS/3, Pilot Sport and Cup, for sure in part thanks to racing...
Just mentioning...not to be less then amicable, We are friends.
No reason to call me on " not specificy stating that all fuels and lubricants in F1/eTc are specially and individually formulated": it's assumed that we all understand similarly like its understood when Mobil states their Mobil 1 is used in racing, that is special bland and what is implied is that they disseminate the unique and crucial experiences, discoveries, and performance developments, into the oils we buy off the shelf:
Like Michelin tires recently made substantial leap in grip and endurance in the Pilot AS/3, Pilot Sport and Cup, for sure in part thanks to racing...
Just mentioning...not to be less then amicable, We are friends.
Aug 18, 2014, 05:28 PM
#25
That's about as true as saying Monte Carlos, Corollas, and in truck series- Tundras, are used in NASCAR. Just like the NASCARS are based off that body style, its not at all the same thing. YES, Mobil 1 is used in race series like F1,Nascar, but I can tell you from speaking from engine builders I knew from Nascar teams, that Mobil 1 they use is not at all what you can get in the stores. Its specifically formulated for them. He wouldn't say much other than there are absolutely no additives in their race oil. Whatever it was they only cared for it to work for one race day.
Im just curious why your engine builder advised against AMSOIL?
Im just curious why your engine builder advised against AMSOIL?
Right, and it has been a known fact for years which is why mobil has lost so many customers to me hundreds literally,, AMSOIL will design an oil for racing and that oil can be used by the public,, for example the Racing Dominator 15W50 this oil was designed for the off shore racing Mercury inboard engines and for dragsters but its the same oil you and I can purchase of my website for 10 bucks avg.
AMSOIL was the first in full synthetic oils in 1972 and many companies still are to catch up
Last edited by apagan01; Aug 18, 2014 at 05:31 PM.
Aug 18, 2014, 05:44 PM
#26
Also:
No reason to call me on " not specificy stating that all fuels and lubricants in F1/eTc are specially and individually formulated": it's assumed that we all understand similarly like its understood when Mobil states their Mobil 1 is used in racing, that is special bland and what is implied is that they disseminate the unique and crucial experiences, discoveries, and performance developments, into the oils we buy off the shelf:
Like Michelin tires recently made substantial leap in grip and endurance in the Pilot AS/3, Pilot Sport and Cup, for sure in part thanks to racing...
Just mentioning...not to be less then amicable, We are friends.
No reason to call me on " not specificy stating that all fuels and lubricants in F1/eTc are specially and individually formulated": it's assumed that we all understand similarly like its understood when Mobil states their Mobil 1 is used in racing, that is special bland and what is implied is that they disseminate the unique and crucial experiences, discoveries, and performance developments, into the oils we buy off the shelf:
Like Michelin tires recently made substantial leap in grip and endurance in the Pilot AS/3, Pilot Sport and Cup, for sure in part thanks to racing...
Just mentioning...not to be less then amicable, We are friends.
I wasnt trying to be rude, I just wanted to make it clear since there are folks out there that dont know better and think that it is the same stuff.
Aug 18, 2014, 09:42 PM
#27
I know...thank you!
On Apagan01...quote: his engine builder has no clue what he is doing....it broad statement that is not a professional reply or feedback, at least not in circles I frequent. Its shop talk, so to speak.
The feedback was firstly directed at Amsoil Manual Transmission and Rear End fluid, advising me to use Diaqueen.
And it was also directed at Engine Oil, based on his experience. I don' t know what his experience specifically is; we've been friends for ~23 years and I've seen likely 1000 or so cars in some stage of build/rebuild: I am frequent visitor.
having no clue is a strong statement, means having no clue..being ignorant, without experience, potentially dumb- dull- with intelligence quotient of maybe 60 or so?
That is what is implies.
Which is why I say, lets not give these blanket statements as grown man...they are too strong and yet don't say anything. Even when analyzing at a lot of data its hard to make a impartial and valid conclusion.....I am an engineer for ~19 years and I know how often its possible to present the same data in two different angles, and conclude different things...
So lets just say that there are individuals out there, that don't build 1000whp cars on daily basis, who have experienced better motor oil than what Amsoil has proven to be in THEIR SPECIFIC EXPERIENCE.
It turns out, he does like Mobil 1, a lot.
He likes Motul, Rotella, Fusch, Redline. Perhaps more, but this is all I know, from personal discussions.
On Apagan01...quote: his engine builder has no clue what he is doing....it broad statement that is not a professional reply or feedback, at least not in circles I frequent. Its shop talk, so to speak.
The feedback was firstly directed at Amsoil Manual Transmission and Rear End fluid, advising me to use Diaqueen.
And it was also directed at Engine Oil, based on his experience. I don' t know what his experience specifically is; we've been friends for ~23 years and I've seen likely 1000 or so cars in some stage of build/rebuild: I am frequent visitor.
having no clue is a strong statement, means having no clue..being ignorant, without experience, potentially dumb- dull- with intelligence quotient of maybe 60 or so?
That is what is implies.
Which is why I say, lets not give these blanket statements as grown man...they are too strong and yet don't say anything. Even when analyzing at a lot of data its hard to make a impartial and valid conclusion.....I am an engineer for ~19 years and I know how often its possible to present the same data in two different angles, and conclude different things...
So lets just say that there are individuals out there, that don't build 1000whp cars on daily basis, who have experienced better motor oil than what Amsoil has proven to be in THEIR SPECIFIC EXPERIENCE.
It turns out, he does like Mobil 1, a lot.
He likes Motul, Rotella, Fusch, Redline. Perhaps more, but this is all I know, from personal discussions.
Last edited by alpinaturbo; Aug 18, 2014 at 09:44 PM.
Aug 21, 2014, 08:10 PM
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When inquiring about what oil is recommended on my 600 hp built engine I should have given more information. The car will not be taken to track or strip. It will be driven normal most of the time with some hard driving for short distances from time to time. So need and oil both for standard driving and for running it up to the 9200 rpm shift light every now and then. I have read that Mobil 1 the best and some say amsoil. Also different weights from 0w40 to 20w50. What do you think the best brand and weight combo would be for this type of driving. Thanks
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Aug 21, 2014, 08:38 PM
#30
When inquiring about what oil is recommended on my 600 hp built engine I should have given more information. The car will not be taken to track or strip. It will be driven normal most of the time with some hard driving for short distances from time to time. So need and oil both for standard driving and for running it up to the 9200 rpm shift light every now and then. I have read that Mobil 1 the best and some say amsoil. Also different weights from 0w40 to 20w50. What do you think the best brand and weight combo would be for this type of driving. Thanks
What type of fuel are you using? Pump gas, Race gas, E-85, meth injection?
This plays a factor as well as some oils handle exotic fuels better/worse than others.