ImportPePe

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Funny you say that, because I am planning to get an Estoril Blue M Coupe to replace the Evo in a year or two.

I'm keeping it easy right now, since I would much rather save up more money and concentrate on school at the same time (I'm 19, btw).

The biggest insult for the M Coupe is saying it looks like a *****

frayed

LOL!!

So YOU are the one, eh?

Bill Kim is a buddy of mine; we had lunch today and talked about the Evo and about him driving your car at TWS. He did the same at MSR to some other poor soul.

I was at Ed Paez' event that he co-hosted on March 18th with the Supra boyz (all hp and no *****) j/k Anyway, he remains impressed with the car. Another instructor, Jeff F., used to have an S2000, now has a maroon Cobra. He's been eyeing the Evo ever since he got some track time in it.

I do think the Evo is faster than even a nicely massaged M3. AWD coupled with great balance allows the Evo to get the power down hard and early. Judging from what I know from Bill and others, you should be flat footed through pretty much ever corner. On the gas hard with no mercy, as the Evo's AWD setup does a great job attenuating nasty behavior, such as understeer midcorner and oversteer when trying to lay the smack down at track out.

I'll let Bill know we are talking about him over here and ping Jeff on his Evo thoughts as well.

frayed

BTW, where's Jedinite anyway? Did you go underground or something?

d15b7

here is a sample short vid for you guys; its my 93 Ford Probe GT and myself racing with NASA last year at Beaver Run. I held this guy off for the rest of the race for position in PS-1!

i have other vids if you guys are interested...

http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/Ho...ZmQzMXk1NDE%3D


todd

ps hope the link works. its my first time; just signed up with we-todd!

pps sounds good for a bone stock mazda kl-03, eh???

erioshi

d15, I think your write-up was right on.

The end of last summer my Evo was running a Vishnu Stage 1 set-up (minus the cam gears) with more heat resistant brake pads and full set of coilovers. The coilovers make a huge difference at the track, and the power boost from the Vishnu mods was impressive. While I was in stock from the BMWs were passing me.

iodine23

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Well at least it got someone to drive it hard, like it was meant to be driven, that weekend. I sure wasn't going to do it since it was my first time out. When Bill was done the rotors were so hot I couldn't bleed air out of the tires without wearing gloves to protect my hands from the radiant heat.

I'd agree that it was pretty much just flat-out, brake, turn-in, repeat. No worries about power-on oversteer. The only time it would even rotate on me at all was if I lifted or tapped the brakes.

954DRGSR

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Why did you replace Xede?

whiterexman

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2 flat is like the magic number at TWS. IMO it's very hard for any car to get beyond 2 flat. I think I have chat with you before cuz I remember you mentioned Mel's 1:57 time at TWS with a stock prepped E36 M3.

BTW, your low 2:0* is pretty damn fast already. I've never come close to your low 2:0* time with my old E36 M3. My best time with E36 M3 was in the 2:07-2:08 range and it was mild mod with Conforti intake with Bilstein Sports/H&R springs.

Do you or Mel go to the MSC event at TWS?

Even though I have never met him before but I want to ride with him to see/feel how 1:57 E36 M3 feels like at TWS. I have had taste what 1:5* feels like in Becky's purple 911 Turbo and it was just unbelivable.

whiterexman

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Forget about PCA. It's almost impossible to get in if you don't drive a P-car.

No disrespect for the P-car crowd but some of them have some real attitude problem toward non P-car driver.

Why not try the MSC? It is run by the TWS and you'll always get tons of seat time. (I average about 300 track miles per weekend.) It's $250 for the weekend and the instructors are always free at no charge. Oh btw, the garage space is FREE also and is on first come first serve basis. I never had any problem finding a garage space if I show up early Saturday morning.

Check them out:

http://www.texasworldspeedway.com/msc.htm

whiterexman

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The main reason is that I want the ability to datalog so I can see how my car is doing on the track. PM me if you would like to discuss it with me as I do not want to get into "who's product is better" here as this thread has nothing to do with it.

iodine23

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I was going to do the PCA event because someone else I know was going to try to get in on that... he has a Boxster though, so it'd be easier for him to get in. I had also heard they're pretty selective from a Porsche owner at the other event at TWS, and I was a little skeptical they'd let in a non-german car with a relatively inexperienced driver.

Someone else on here was trying to get me to do the MSC event coming up, but I think it was kind of short notice for me and my finances were a little wacky so I was waiting for that situation to settle a bit before I committed to another track day.

Maybe I could swing the May 15-16 MSC event if PCA doesn't come through.

whiterexman

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PCA event is probably the worst event out there for anybody who wants to start tracking. I'll say stick with TDE or try the MSC for a change.

As for me... I'm cheap and tracking is one expensive sport so I'll just stick with MSC as it offers most seat time for the least amount of money.

frayed

Whiterex, unfortunately Mel lives in Atlanta. . . however, he's due back to hang out in Austin. I told him that when he comes, I'll let him co-drive my car (whatever I have) at TWS. That dude has some serious skills and is a great guy to boot. BTW, Mel and I are both eyeing the gray Evo MR. . . he says he'll out drive me in the same car. He will.

MSC is the club of choice. However, with two kids at home, one 4 mos. old, it's tough for me to pull out of town for a whole weekend. So, the plan is to go to Ed's Thursday events. I'll try to do one or two MSC weekends a year though.

Anything below 2.00 is pretty fast. I'm not that good a driver , but I do think it will come, or below 2.01, if I keep at it. . . though it was hard getting below 2.05's, and now, every tenth is brutal (at least it was when I was driving all the time, now I'm still rusty).

As to the PCA, fogettaboutitt. I found them to be a bunch of goosestepping ***** that hate all nonPcar drivers. They seem to be especially nasty about BMW's, I cannot even imagine how they would react to an extroverted Evo. I won't do any of their events. Funny thing is, the GT3 is on my list of cars, and if I did ever get one, I'd never go to the Pcar events. All this is based on my personal experience, others may love their events. So, take my input as just one person's experience. . .

EvoVIIIGuy

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The Evo pulls harder and has more capability than the e36, but the e46 will pull from an evo, especially anywhere above 65mph, I have both the E46 and Evo at my disposal and the evo is faster and more nimble in the corners because of AWD, brakes, steering ratio and because of the way it is geared, but the big german inline 6 pulls much harder than the evo engine does and does it with much more smoothness and control. I agree with the brakes being better on the evo, but the M3 was not designed to race, it is a autobahn burner/ Gt/ touring car, the Evo really is a race car and feels like a race car!

My 1$

EvoVIIIGuy

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