TurboMaestro

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Yeah, what the above post said....It's a Lancer Evolution VIII. I didn't use google, I bought a Rally Sport EVO, that's how I personally know. My car is just the eighth evolution of the Lancer.....and the Rally Sport edition thus.....this is all just semantics, really. Just like the discussing the definition of Homologation would just be a discussion of semantics. Check out the definition of Homologation, as defined by the FIA
"Logically manufacturers try to size the homologation base vehicle so that its racing counterpart will be as competitive and versatile as possible. For instance FIA rules impose that a GroupN class car cannot exceed the wheel size of the homologation base vehicle. Consequently the bigger the wheels and wheel arches mounted on the homologation base vehicle the more supple the choice of competition wheels will be. Another example is the size of the turbocharger that, if fitted to the homologation base, will have to maintain the same model and size on the competition vehicle. "
Let me ask you this, which version of the Lancer has a turbocharger, which would thus classify it for group N or group A FIA World Rally Championship racing?

TurboMaestro

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that's right, only the EVO has a stock turbocharger. This means that the WRC lancer you see, the one with the turbo on it? Yeah, that's an EVO. You can't add a turbo to a non turbo car under FIA rules, the governing body of WRC. Look it up, stupid.
https://www.evolutionm.net/features/printpage.php?id=20

TurboMaestro

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Man, the more I look into it, the dumber you seem. here's a MITSUBISHI PRESS RELEASE from the FIA propecia rally. Check out what the car is listed as BY F ING MITSUBISHI. You seriously are dumb, you actually thought that the WRC car was NOT a EVO? Not to rip on lancer guys out there, but the lancer does a 16 second quarter mile for god's sake.
LOOK AT THIS LINK
http://202.235.200.46/mitsubishi/04nz/ssresult.html

UFO

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Haha, now who made who look like an idiot. Look at the groups listed there: They are group N cars, not WRC. You're completely in the wrong ballpark pal.

Go to this page: http://202.235.200.46/mitsubishi/04nz/ss1.html
Now, see how they are listed as group A and Lancer WRC. Please, at least learn to read before you make a total fool of yourself.

Group N is different than group A. Why are you talking about group N again?

UFO

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Hahahahaha. Please. http://www.wrc.com/en_GB_WhatIs_BehindTheWheel.aspx

oak2207

So you're both right... end it. Both search results display the car that both of you are referring to.

UFO

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No no no. Why did the Evo come about? Because Mitsubishi had to produce a certain amount (I think it was more than 2,500 back in the day) in order to satisfy homologation rules. They no longer need to do that. They no longer need to build the Evo to race in WRC. How come there isn't a Focus RS Cosworth now? Because Ford don't need to build it. Cars like the Sierra RS Cosworth and the Escort RS Cosworth were made to satisfy homologation rules, just as the Evo, but now they can base their WRC cars on the normal road going versions. Citroen don't make a 2.0 AWD turbo Xsara either. The Evo VIII continues because, really, it is Mitsu's flagship car and one of the most well known cars in the world. They could cease production of the Evo tomorrow and still compete in the WRC class. Just look at pictures of the WRC Lancer and tell me how it even remotely looks like an Evo 8. It doesn't because it isn't one.

Is it an Evo? In rally terms, technically, you could call it the WRC Evolution I if you like. Mitsu prefer to call it the Lancer WRC though because they don't want to confuse it with the road going Evo 8. The WRC car bears no resemblance to our Evo 8s because they are 2 different cars. Both Lancers are based off of the base model but the WRC is using the new body style while our Evos carry on the old body style (even though the nose is different). The Evo 8 is no longer a car based on the WRC car because it doesn't have to be. Toi suggest that we drive rally cars is just plain dumb.

You've been watching WRC for 23 years? Bull****.

oak2207

It does have rally heritage which I believe is how this all started. We all know it's not a direct rally car, but it's a decendant of one. I know full well I couldn't just go run my Evo up Pikes Peak and full bore and expect nothing to break.

UFO

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Seeing as you quoted nobody I will assume you are replying to me, even though I never claimed that homologation rules were no longer present. They are present, just different for WRC cars as opposed to previous class A cars and, especially, group N cars.

My first post mentioned the Evo wasn't eligible for homologation because it didn't meet requirements. What requirements? 25,000 (not 2,500) production models. Now, I must admit that the 25,000 figure has been a point of argument between members of this board before. The WRC web page states the figure to be 25,000 (http://www.wrc.com/en_GB_WhatIs_WorldRallyCars.aspx) but there is no solid proof of that on th FIA's home page. So, I stand by my first comment but, without solid proof, will admit that the 25,000 figure could be wrong. However, other web pages (http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring...evorally04.htm) also claim the 25,000 figure. Oh, and notice how that link validates my base Lancer comments?

Seeing as I finally busted out Google, here's another web page that enforces the fact that the WRC car is based on a stock Lancer: http://www.modernracer.com/features/...revowrc04.html
Now, please, stop calling me an idiot and let it end; you don;t even have to admit that I was right.

lancerpartstrad

Does the stock lancer come with a 4g63? (I seriously don't know)

Samdiver74

Cause I have watched Rallying since I was 7.
What you think I am lying? It hasn't always been called the WRC, but I wasn't specific since I said Rallying.
Other names where Network Q, RAC rally and so on
WRC came about with the FIA rule and class changes
So in answer to your question, no it is not BS

UFO quote: Why did the Evo come about? Because Mitsubishi had to produce a certain amount (I think it was more than 2,500 back in the day) in order to satisfy homologation rules.
Samdiver: Nope it was 2,500, how do I know this cause back in 85 when Ford released the RS turbo S1, the homolgamation requirment was 2,500 but Ford UK produced 2,500 for UK consumption and a further 2,500 for European consumption
Oh and was only officially available in Diamond White.

Quote UFO: They no longer need to do that. They no longer need to build the Evo to race in WRC.
Samdiver: I know, as I said before the FIA changed the classes around to have an official WRC class so the homolgamation rules changed, read what I wrote before, cause obviously your memory is very short.

Quote UFO: How come there isn't a Focus RS Cosworth now?
Samdiver: Ummm I think you'll find there is, it has been scheduled for release for quite some time, they are due out now?

Quote UFO: Because Ford don't need to build it.
Samdiver: Yes cause the homolgamation rules changed in 1997

Quote UFO: Citroen don't make a 2.0 AWD turbo Xsara either.
Samdiver: Neither does Peugot, but both companies are under the same roof and throw exhuberant amounts of cash into WRC developement and testing, Unlike Ford, Skoda, Mitsubishi, Subaru

Quote UFO: The Evo VIII continues because, really, it is Mitsu's flagship car and one of the most well known cars in the world.
Samdiver: Most well know series of cars

Quote UFO: They could cease production of the Evo tomorrow and still compete in the WRC class.
Samdiver: How many more times do I have to say this, I KNOW cause the FIA changed the homolgamation rules in 1997

Quote UFO:Just look at pictures of the WRC Lancer and tell me how it even remotely looks like an Evo 8.
Samdiver: Are you refering to bodywork style? Yes I know they look different but Mitsubishi also took a year out (last year) for Development and testing in the wind tunnel. This year they are still testing
They have also kept the car as basic as possible, Manual gearbox as apposed to the Semi auto boxes of the other manufacturers and so on, I am not going into specs.

Quote UFO: Is it an Evo?
Samdiver: Yes it is, Why? cause it happens to be another iteration of the Lancer Evo. After all, all Evo's start out as Lancers, it is the base platform, but once you drop 4X4, 4g63 Turbocharged 2.0 litre and have the Unibody strengthened it and other changes it becomes an EVO.

Quote UFO: Mitsu prefer to call it the Lancer WRC though because they don't want to confuse it with the road going Evo 8.
Samdiver: Then why is the Lancer Evo called just the Lancer Evolution here in the states, as apposed to it being called the Lancer Evolution VIII, like everywhere else in the world. to avoid the same confusion? So really the Evo here in the states is the Evo 1 then right? Cause after all it doesn't have SAYC, ACD like the UK, Euro, Australia, New Zealand and Jap versions, So what about the MR when it comes out, is that going to be called the Evo 8.5 MR or Evo 1.5 MR

Quote UFO:The WRC car bears no resemblance to our Evo 8s because they are 2 different cars. Both Lancers are based off of the base model but the WRC is using the new body style.
Samdiver: Ah yeah the body style looks different, why cause they can use one off prototype cars for the WRC, oh look it's the FIA 1997 Rules again.
And once again this year is for developement, there was Talk that the MR is going to be the base platform for the WRC next year.
The reason why the body style is the way it is, is cause of wind tunnel testing, "AERODYNAMICS" they want to make their car as efficent as possible, but isn't that the difference between the base Lancers and the Evolutions, different body styling after all the Evo has Flared Fenders, Different Lights, Big spoiler, 17" Alloy rims and so on, So I guess you would call it the Evolution of the Evolution
See my point yet, the WRC04 car is a LANCER EVOLUTION and if they were using the new body style then wouldn't it have the new style triangular Civic headlights

Quote UFO: while our Evos carry on the old body style (even though the nose is different).
Samdiver: Most car manufacturers keep a body style for about 5 years
the same goes for the Evo's 4,5,6 aren't they the same body but different Front & rear bumpers, and equipment upgrades over the previous version
so to that effect the Evo's 7,8 and 9 are going to be using the same bodies but the front & rear fascia's are going to change a little each time, 9 will probably be the last of this body series.

Quote UFO: The Evo 8 is no longer a car based on the WRC car because it doesn't have to be.
Samdiver: You got that Correct, Why? cause the WRC04 came out after the 8 was already released, idiot so the WRC04 is based of the Lancer Evolution
As I said there is talk that next year the WRC car will be based off the MR

Quote UFO:To suggest that we drive rally cars is just plain dumb.
Samdiver: nobody said we are driving rally cars, but the EVO RS is the closest you can get to own a street legal rally car, as the rest of us have said, the RS is the base platform for a rally car.
Now Cut the crap UFO
as we have once again jacked a thread

Event-Horizon

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Actually they called it the "Evolution" here in the states because there had never been an EVO here before. I'm sure that if they would have sold it as the "Evolution VIII" it would have confused buyers or they would have thought it was a silly name for a car. I'm sure that Mitsu's marketing in the states thought of that or similar resons.

As far as the ACD, and AYC goes, that has nothing to do with the naming of the car. And when the MR comes to the states in late fall it will be called "Lancer Evolution MR"

UFO

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Read the links I posted. How many more links do you need? It is not an Evo, it's that simple. It was not my intention to hijack the thread but when I have a moron (you) calling me an idiot then I'm compelled to respond. You are wrong and the proof is right there but you're just too stubborn to read it.

As for the Network Q & RAC comment, that just shows your lack of knowledge on the subject. The British leg of the WRC has always been called the RAC (a British motoring club) or Network Q (Vauxhall used cars) rally. Again, it is part of the WRC and not a seperate rally.

Event-Horizon correctly put you in your place regarding the other stuff so there's no need to go there.

Again, I didn;t wish to hijack the thread, so my apologies to the thread starter. I've given all the proof I need to to support my point and will not waste my time with the all knowledgable 23 years of rally following master mind anymore.

Samdiver74

UFO Quote:
As for the Network Q & RAC comment, that just shows your lack of knowledge on the subject. The British leg of the WRC has always been called the RAC (a British motoring club) or Network Q (Vauxhall used cars) rally. Again, it is part of the WRC and not a seperate rally.

You're absolutley right, I stand corrected. It is still a part of the WRC, so yes now I'm the idiot, but since they brought in the WRC class they have called each Event under the name of the country