What does "under $30K" mean?
Oct 1, 2002 | 08:47 PM
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Would you prefer I compare to a Mustang? 
Acceleration is only one aspect of performance, and some of the riceboys floating around here seem to think that's the only aspect. I don't believe that SirLancerLot was trying to say that braking was not important, but there are a lot of people who seem to think so.
Regardless of what SCC writes, the true measure of a high performance braking system is not measured in a single 60-0 stop (which should be stricken from all magazine reviews, IMO). Rather, it is measured in its ability to stop/slow the car from high speeds repeatedly. For example, 95-40, 60-40, 85-45, 90-50, 85-50, 75-40, 105-40... repeat... (that's what my S2000 goes through every lap at the track). Bigger brakes *will* help (bigger -> more heat absorption to the rotor -> lower brake fluid temps -> more consistent stopping power). Smaller rotorss can equal "big brake kits" in the 60-0 category, but in repeated stops they will eventually lose, all else being equal.
You brought up the tuning/upgrade factor, but that is completely irrelevant to this discussion - because *most* people won't replace the stock brakes or wheels. Thus, the Track package is still the most desirable of the new Zs.
Acceleration is only one aspect of performance, and some of the riceboys floating around here seem to think that's the only aspect. I don't believe that SirLancerLot was trying to say that braking was not important, but there are a lot of people who seem to think so.
Regardless of what SCC writes, the true measure of a high performance braking system is not measured in a single 60-0 stop (which should be stricken from all magazine reviews, IMO). Rather, it is measured in its ability to stop/slow the car from high speeds repeatedly. For example, 95-40, 60-40, 85-45, 90-50, 85-50, 75-40, 105-40... repeat... (that's what my S2000 goes through every lap at the track). Bigger brakes *will* help (bigger -> more heat absorption to the rotor -> lower brake fluid temps -> more consistent stopping power). Smaller rotorss can equal "big brake kits" in the 60-0 category, but in repeated stops they will eventually lose, all else being equal.
You brought up the tuning/upgrade factor, but that is completely irrelevant to this discussion - because *most* people won't replace the stock brakes or wheels. Thus, the Track package is still the most desirable of the new Zs.
Oct 2, 2002 | 04:47 AM
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Originally posted by WestSideBilly
Would you prefer I compare to a Mustang?
Acceleration is only one aspect of performance, and some of the riceboys floating around here seem to think that's the only aspect. I don't believe that SirLancerLot was trying to say that braking was not important, but there are a lot of people who seem to think so.
Regardless of what SCC writes, the true measure of a high performance braking system is not measured in a single 60-0 stop (which should be stricken from all magazine reviews, IMO). Rather, it is measured in its ability to stop/slow the car from high speeds repeatedly. For example, 95-40, 60-40, 85-45, 90-50, 85-50, 75-40, 105-40... repeat... (that's what my S2000 goes through every lap at the track). Bigger brakes *will* help (bigger -> more heat absorption to the rotor -> lower brake fluid temps -> more consistent stopping power). Smaller rotorss can equal "big brake kits" in the 60-0 category, but in repeated stops they will eventually lose, all else being equal.
You brought up the tuning/upgrade factor, but that is completely irrelevant to this discussion - because *most* people won't replace the stock brakes or wheels. Thus, the Track package is still the most desirable of the new Zs.
Would you prefer I compare to a Mustang?
Acceleration is only one aspect of performance, and some of the riceboys floating around here seem to think that's the only aspect. I don't believe that SirLancerLot was trying to say that braking was not important, but there are a lot of people who seem to think so.
Regardless of what SCC writes, the true measure of a high performance braking system is not measured in a single 60-0 stop (which should be stricken from all magazine reviews, IMO). Rather, it is measured in its ability to stop/slow the car from high speeds repeatedly. For example, 95-40, 60-40, 85-45, 90-50, 85-50, 75-40, 105-40... repeat... (that's what my S2000 goes through every lap at the track). Bigger brakes *will* help (bigger -> more heat absorption to the rotor -> lower brake fluid temps -> more consistent stopping power). Smaller rotorss can equal "big brake kits" in the 60-0 category, but in repeated stops they will eventually lose, all else being equal.
You brought up the tuning/upgrade factor, but that is completely irrelevant to this discussion - because *most* people won't replace the stock brakes or wheels. Thus, the Track package is still the most desirable of the new Zs.
Oct 2, 2002 | 08:59 PM
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SirLancerLot - if you ever read Evo, you'll notice that they do much more extensive acceleration/deceleration testing. I believe they use a GPS logger and accelerate from a stop to top speed, then get on the brakes and go back to 0, and report all braking intervals. Gives you a good idea of what the brakes are really capable of.
Guack - I think that was mentioned in the SCC article. Regardless, it's a very good point with upgrading brakes, but should be a non-issue with OEMs.
Guack - I think that was mentioned in the SCC article. Regardless, it's a very good point with upgrading brakes, but should be a non-issue with OEMs.
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