ok breaking the back end loose and drifting are the same thing correct.. me and a buddy argue about this all the time... he says its IMPOSSIBLE to drift wtih the evo's set up and wrx ( i have an evo he has a wrx )... and he mainly states this cause... " awd cars RARELY ever oversteer"... am i the only one who disagrees and feels you can make any car drift/break the back end loose??

 

i've seen a top gear video where the driver drifted at 100mph (very wide corner) in the evo so it is possible

 

it can be done with massive power continuously applied on a sufficiently slick surface: aka, donut.

it can also be done in a sweeper, but it will involve entering the turn with massive oversteer. big rear sway bar would give a lot of trailing throttle oversteer, just lift off the gas abruptly and crank the wheel. even then, AWD will tend to pull you out of the skid much sooner than a RWD dorifto car would.

 

yeah... the evo can drift, but i'm not sure what he means by breaking the back end loose... maybe he's thinking technically about how a rear wheel drive car disconnects from the front two tires while drifting because, of course, it's two wheel drive as opposed to all wheel...

 

i always took "breaking the back end lose" as bad... like, about to lose control of the car and possibly spin out... or punching it in a straight line and have the back end slip and smoke the tires...

drifting is a controlled loss of traction that allows you to negotiate the turn better and move through a turn faster and able to apply the power in the direction you want sooner... Some AWD's are better than other's drifting... the Evo is a better drifter IMO than a WRX due to the Evo's more neutral cornering pose... where a WRX plows, an Evo rotates... don't get me wrong, it's not impossible to drift a WRX, just needs a lil' more coaxing, or stiffer rear sway bar...

dunno... that's just how i look at it...

 

Tell me what you think love that Buschur power.
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or donuts
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BTW "Loose is FAST" (just a touch more skill involved in the dance step)

 

inital D gave the best definition of a drift...

"Breaking the back end loose" is just a loss of traction in the rear.... power slides would be more of a drift then breaking the back end loose...

the evo in a true slide will have all 4 tires at a losse for traction... this can be proven by the 4 tire marks left behind

 

Come on guys haven't any of you been to the RMR products web site. Rhys Millen drifts an EVO VII with much success getting the car to comply with a 4 wheel drift. go to the site watch the videos and get sideways. and yes i can do it with my EVO VIII i just put on some cheep tires.

 

Like these tracks? With the BR500 stage V I can lite up and keep 4 275/35/18 r compound TOYOS spinning. Watch the video...above.
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You can get massive amounts of oversteer just by changing tire pressures. In autocross I fine that a 3 psi differential from front to back keeps the car quite neutral (41 psi front, 38 psi rear), with a larger differential (41 front, 35 rear) I get oversteer very easily. I have even done a 360 before during a race.

Do not do this on the street though! Only do this during something like an autocross. Be very careful what you ask for though. Acheiving car characteristics through tire pressures is not really the way you should do it, and its still un-predictable sometimes.

 

what this guy said.

I'm thinking of that video of EVo 6 doing a drift. It just lets the rear slide, not be out of control, through a wide U-Turn.

Then again, there are tons of videos of WRX STI doing donuts, U-Turn Drifts, etc.

 

to get all wheel drift, you have to keep the power on as you start oversteering, you countersteer

 

evo drifting=AYC
If you dont have this like the 5/6/7 then you have to do extesive suspension mods. But on a non AYC car like the USDM 8 understeer is much more prevelaint. On a AYC evo you can easily get it to oversteer

 

The Scandinavian flick and or left foot braking.

 

you go right and left real quick with hard throttle and counter steer.

That's how you do it. But I'll be worried to try that in a regular road. I might go off the road and hit a mountain or something.