why is everyone all over this 6spd tranny? why is that a big deal, i mean do you guys just like to hear the pssssshhhhhtttt sound one more time or what? unless you are going for top speed i don't see the big deal in having one on a rally car whose setup has worked for them in countries all over the world. if we get one fine, if not then oh well **** it, trust me this car has been planned and will be better than the STi in certain areas so don't worry about it. if you can't live without that 6 then go get another job and buy a 6spd tranny and go through all of the work of dropping it in ok? also ayd/acd will not make a big difference as far as driving at all, and if you do need electronics that bad then i suggest you go back to driving school and ask the two-bit cigar smoking instructor to ride with you a 2nd time and teach you the art of being a "driver". personally i have no beef with the evo VIII but as far as looks wise and preference i would go to EI and walk with a VII RSII which i plan to do very soon, and they can take the ayc/acd if they want i could careless. as far as me reading up on who knows this who knows that, unless you are on the top boards of mitsu keep your mouth closed because no one knows anything about the car. especially whoever said it will get 280hp like a JDM evo which would mean removing the cat's and face it this is america. sorry to tell you texas dealer you are wrong. that's why the regular rex in japan gets 250 because it rolls out of the factory missing it's ***** (cat's that is). personally im big on audi but have been impressed with this evo, i would like to say goodluck on getting yours and hope to see some of you in the streets.

 

Why we want 6 speed....

1. Closer ratio meaning more acceleration and stronger trans.

2. The gearing is what makes the trans stronger and we need all the drivetrain strength we need on an awd car. NO problems with the 6speed on the sti. No mods needed. Downfault more weight.

3. Maybe gets the highway milage high enough to advoid gas guzzler tax.

Remmeber some people on this board is on a budget and it's easy to say if you have the money. The thing is that some people wants to have a good car for what they could afford meaning without the goodies they feel other cars may be a better buy.

 

hmmm as far as acceleration with the 6spd 0-60 and 1/4 mile wouldn't matter much nor would coming out of a turn come to think of it because most people don't mod their cars to that level of shifting into 6th before a turn comes about on a roadcourse or street corner. if they do then they can buy a 6spd but that's not the point. as far as 6spds being stronger i find that comment to be totally out of whack, when my friend has a honda with a carbon/carbon clutch and dog's on it, and this other kid has a helical 6 spd with a carbon carbon clutch, and his gears have ****ed up, and he has had to replace a tranny. having 6spds has nothing to do with strength nor acceleration as gear ratios can be adjusted for that. the biggest thing about having a 6spd is top end for the most part. i agree STi has does make an excellent 6spd, but you also have to note the gearing in the evo's 5 and STi's 6. another think about your accel. look at the stats the STi 7 has been known to accelerate slower than the Evo VII with a 5spd. so i don't think strength and accel are valid points. tranny strength will always have to be adjusted as power output goes up even with teh 6 i hope you don't plan to run that 6spd when you touch 450-500hp there's no way in hell.

 

you dont seem to see the benefits of the 6th gear. Having the extra gear allows for an even closer ratio gearing (closer lower gears = better acceleration), while having a long 6th improves gas mileage and of coures top speed (a supplementary benefit). As for increasing the strength of the tranny

 

no i know the benefites actually i have a 6spd car read the name and you will find out, but like i said i doubt mitsu will make the cars gears that close in order to make a HUGE difference. if you have the experience hook-ups or dough to make it closer then you will have no problem with buying a 5spd and then dropping a 6 in later. you have to understand the angle i am viewing from, people on here make it seem like ITS LIFE OR DEATH like it will determine whether they buy or not. that's what im getting at i dont deny that 6spds have their benefits but so do 5's and it's really not that big of a deal. no matter who you are or what you're doing because you will end up buying another tranny if you plan to mod the car that much. just my view on things

 

well i think u do underestimate the cost/benefit of having a factory 6speed, as oppsoed to your suggestion of a custom/aftermarket tranny. But, as far as the "life or death" argument as you put it goes, yea, its not that big of a deal guys.
Its just that it is generally believed that mitsubishi has one completed and ready, and if US market gets "shafted," the ppl on the board, as potential buyers and supporters, feel they are getting a bad deal.
Well if it were the case (where JDM gets a significantly better spec'd EVO) I guess I would be mad too, probably not enough push me to reclaim my deposit tho

 

no i don't supah fly which is why i said "IF" you have the money to build up a car with that much power then you should have it to purchase a new tranny. i know the cost is big, and that's why i added an IF to the whole budget deal. like i said i think the evo is fine with a 5spd, and it's just me but i plan to get a VII over the VIII just because i like the looks and i have hook-ups at monster tuning so i can get biiiiiiiiig discounts on the parts fittings cages and stuff on that model evo.

 

Actually Im kind of split on whether I want the 5 speed or the new rumored 6 speed. The 5 speed is well known to be very tough while who knows about the new 6 speed. Plus it will probably make it more expensive...

 

egg i totally agree, although they will try to keep the price under 30k, it's just the 5 has had so much success. people are just worried about it being faster than the US STi that comes in 04 with a 6, but it definitely will and we all know this without i doubt. just don't expect to win against the STi in everything because there are points where the STi are stronger than the EVO. WRX AND EVO is like the biggest war going as far as most comparable cars. The Thing i agree with most on the STi is the boxer engine it has MAJOR pro's and can be tuned like a ***** if you get a closed 2.2 or a closed 2.5 wrx. if you ever pull up to a rex that sounds like a V8 and has a turbo screamin it's *** off when it rev's i suggest you not race it unless your evo is top notch, because i know a handful of rex's who dyno no less than 500hp and are all beast as far as power, suspension, and the works. 750hp on a car reduced to 2700lbs . and dont get me wrong evo is just as or more capable which is why i'm choosing one over an STi, but i'm just warning you guys

 

You both make great points. On one hand theres the good old reliable 5 speed; very strong and geared close enough to keep you in the power band. On the other theirs the possibility of using a newly developed 6 speed. If the new six is as strong as the old 5 then it will either use better/more expensive materials (ie. titanium alloys and such) and thus weigh the same yet be more costly to produce. Or they will use the same materials and will weigh a little more to accomedate the new gear and cost wont rise to significantly. As for gearing, its anyones guess what they do. They might use an extremely short first as in the STI to overcome the turbo lag from a stop. Or they might leave all the ratios the exact same as in the 5 speed and just add a true overdrive cruising gear that will allow for much better high speed gas milage. Or they might do a combination of the 2. Or they might move only the middle gears for a better 1/4mile time. The possibilitys are almost endless.
However 99.999% of the time closer gearing will produce better acceleration due to the car always being not only in the powerband but within only the very peak of the powerband.

My 2 cents

 

I'm willing to bet...our fathers had the same argument over whether the "4 on floor" or the new "5 speed" which is standard on almost all cars today. I believe the 6-speed & quick-speed atomatic will become the standard for the future. As for the EVO, it's just question of when?

 

I hate automatics in any form (no clutch=no way) and hope that 7-speed manuals become the standard for sports cars in the future.

My 2 cents

 

agreeing with guack on his 2 cents, another thing a lot of my friends like to call the 5spd is a long box hence shortening the 1st gear to kick your acceleration to something stupid and widening the later gears. the 6 is referred to as the fun box just because most of the time 6th gear is used for top end or as you said cruising gears. The reason why i'm not too hype on the redesigned 6spd is this: 1) Mitsu doesn't even use a 6pd built by them in their rally car, they use INVECS which we all heard and know of, which is basically an all electronic gearing system (mucho money involved). 2) if you think about it EVO is a 5spd when it comes to mitsu's design of the car and tranny only when you jump out of the street versions like racing will you find advancements to 6spd which cost lots of $$$ to reconfigure etc. 3) if we do get the 6spd tranny, i trust it not to be as suit for the car as the 5 which has been mastered and improved over time, it will be more of a trial run than a sure amazing tranny for the car. STi has a past of 6spds which is why i agree with their tranny even in the street cars that weren't built with 6's, their rally cars had 6spd trannies made by Subaru, which mitsu doesn't do. i say why give up a good thing. anyway it's up to the consumer on how they want to spend their money, i would just rather sway towards a 5spd that has been working for generations throughout than a first time introduction of a 6spd, especially since it's only being designed for the americas.