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Old Oct 30, 2004 | 02:22 PM
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New KM Bov's 4 sale

Krieg Motorsports is proud to anounce its first product,
with many more on the way...



Stock plastic by-pass valves just wont hold the boost.


Dont waste your time with those large and heavy blow off valves, use a light billet

6061 Aluminium one that holds your boost just as well.


Massive brass piston and steel spring to insure a proper quick release.


For Pictures please visit our site. www.Kriegmotorsports.com
Super RFL Bov for 95.99 Fully adjustable 10-25psi
Shipping will be 8.00 usd for United States
Paypal address : Krieger9@juno.com
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Old Oct 30, 2004 | 04:02 PM
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We also have One Intercooler left its 18x12x3 core. Bar and plate race core with 3" inlets. It has less pressure drop and higher effieciency rating then stock evo intercoolers.
The Intercooler pic is attached below only one left in stock until I Build more.

$265.99 plus $36.00 for shipping in the US

Also pictured below is the bov kit...
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Old Nov 3, 2004 | 06:20 PM
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Thumbs down rude

date hate the small business

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Old Nov 10, 2004 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by krieger9
Our company is one of the only factory direct with in house design.
For an "in house design" that valve looks a whole like a TurboXS RFL that managed to spout a second, identical horn.

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Meaning we can design a part and have it put into product faster and cheaper then any of our competition.
It's easy to get a part to market when all you have to do is purchase your competitors products and then knock them off.


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We have several new products coming soon and I cannot disclose what as of now, but more importantly we are willing to build what ever the EVO community wants and promise it faster and cheaper then the rest.
Your new parts can't be disclosed because you have to wait till real companies build the parts before you can knock them off and ***** out the market. On top of that, when you are building a "knock off part" how exactly do you get it to market "faster" then the rest? I understand the cheaper part (Chinese labor, no actual design work, and substandard material spec), but I fail to see how it's going to be faster then the competition when all you do is copy them.

If you had any engineering resources at all in your company, then why does the valve look so much like our valve? It has the same mounting system, the same decorative o-rings at the top of the valve, and the same exact valve body design. Why can’t you people have a creative bone in your body and come up with an original design?


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So please if you have any ideas or see any weaknesses in your cars please pm or email us and we'll get into the design right away.
I see a weakness in the design of your valve. Can I PM you about that? Actually I’ll have our lawyers PM you about it.

-Nathan
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Old Nov 10, 2004 | 10:06 PM
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My builder had already produced that specific part before I was in contact with them. So i had no design infulence upon it, nor do i believe there is a patent on your part... please correct me if im wrong. (ill give em out as a free promotion if you do) Also i am not the soul distrubtor of that part (others have it too)

I have planned our new own line, of parts including bov's bearing no resemblance to you parts, and will only be distributed by me. These parts are being made now.

As for quality both of our products are made from 6061 aluminium by robots, are robots are equal.... and metals too....

Do honestly think your doing good business selling a flange for $69.00? I think u could better and ill base a business on that.


Doesn't this forum request that we do not post about our competitiors?


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Because members have the ability to post in created threads, we ask that you do not mention any competing companies. If you do not like the quoted price feel free to pm, email, or call, the vendor to discuss this, but do not quote other store prices. Doing so would allow non-registered vendors to take advantage of this forum and we do not want that to occur

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Old Nov 11, 2004 | 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by krieger9
My builder had already produced that specific part before I was in contact with them. So i had no design infulence upon it, nor do i believe there is a patent on your part... please correct me if im wrong. (ill give em out as a free promotion if you do) Also i am not the soul distrubtor of that part (others have it too)
We have a trademark on the design of the valve. You'll be hearing from our lawyers, but rest assured you are not the only one. The importer of these valves, who sells them to you for $13 a valve, will also be getting a letter from our lawyers.

Your valve is using lower spec materials for the valve internals, and has several places internally where the machine shop in China cut corners to avoid additional cost and complexity. I’ve taken the

As for the rules of this forum, you are not our competitor; you are a creep that is selling a knock off product as his own. You clearly have no respect for intellectual property and as such I do not respect your company as a competitor. With that said, I shouldn’t freely bump your post, so this will be my last post on this topic. The next time you hear from us it will be though our lawyers.


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Old Nov 11, 2004 | 09:35 AM
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Old Nov 11, 2004 | 11:36 AM
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Our valve has two exhaust ports changing the release forces and air movement. That also changes the apperance, weight, dimensions, and physics of the part. Can you specify what your trademark number is so I may verify if our part is in violation or not?

I did not mean to copy your part, others on ebay sell an exact replica (with one exhaust port) Which i feel violates your trademark more than ours.

There is no cut corners on our parts and they just work great, chineese labor is good ask HKS.....
Old Nov 11, 2004 | 03:20 PM
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per the US government trademark and patent office

(((((What is a trademark?
A trademark includes any word, name, symbol, or device, or any combination, used, or intended to be used, in commerce to identify and distinguish the goods of one manufacturer or seller from goods manufactured or sold by others, and to indicate the source of the goods. In short, a trademark is a brand name.



What are the benefits of federal trademark registration? 1. Constructive notice nationwide of the trademark owner's claim.
2. Evidence of ownership of the trademark.
3. Jurisdiction of federal courts may be invoked.
4. Registration can be used as a basis for obtaining registration in foreign countries.
5. Registration may be filed with U.S. Customs Service to prevent importation of infringing foreign goods. ))))

A trademark is your name used to identify your goods from others goods. Since I have not claimed to be any connection to you or your name, and never led anyone to believe that i in anyway was a part of your company. Then i have also not violated any trademark.
Old Nov 12, 2004 | 04:38 PM
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Exclamation why turboxs is rude and wrong!!!

Do me a favor and head over to stop and shop or your local grocery store. Head down the cereal area and find some Corn Chex. Look right next to them what do you see Corn Squares, same great cereal different name.

This is the purpose of trademarks, to specify brand name. Thats all you are is a brand name, you have no exclusive rights to any parts without patents. To recieve a patent your part would have to do something different than other blow off valves, which yours does not.

As for you attitude and actions, they were childish. Bad-mouthing my products when you have no specific evidence, and have not reviewed them first hand is unfair. Then to post these negative and unjust claims in the forum where I pay to advertise is plain rude. Not to mention extremely unprofessional !!!

I can only hope the readers of this forum, see this situation objectively. That I am acting in their best interest and standing up against your high prices...... just like stop & shop, big y, walmat, etc... accept i am not a huge corporation and do truely care about my customers.........
Old Nov 12, 2004 | 05:40 PM
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Talking Catch cans

Heres some great catch cans that wont **** anyone off...

and price should also make you HAPPY..... Competitors not...


Limited time offer $55.99
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Old Nov 14, 2004 | 08:56 AM
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Does the catch can have any kind of waffer or something for the oil to cling to on the inside?

--Josh
Old Nov 14, 2004 | 02:42 PM
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What are the dimensions of those cans? Is the fitting on the bottom of the third one open, or does it have a drain valve?
Old Nov 14, 2004 | 03:12 PM
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"As for you attitude and actions, they were childish. Bad-mouthing my products when you have no specific evidence, and have not reviewed them first hand is unfair. Then to post these negative and unjust claims in the forum where I pay to advertise is plain rude. Not to mention extremely unprofessional !!!"(Krieger)

I will have to agree with this statement. I am a retailer and whether this product is a Turbo XS knockoff or not it is up to your lawyers to prove this. To come onto a site and blatantly badmouth your competition is not a smart move at all Nathan it looks very unprofessional . You may be pissed right now but you need to relax and let the problem be solved properly through legal means if there is a problem at all, not to start a tiff in an internet forum . Just my .02

Shane

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Old Nov 14, 2004 | 06:18 PM
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Does the catch can have any kind of waffer or something for the oil to cling to on the inside?
--Josh
NO the cans do not have a waffer or baffle inside.


What are the dimensions of those cans? Is the fitting on the bottom of the third one open, or does it have a drain valve? ---Autoxevo

The left two are 170mm tall and the right one is 103 mm tall. Far left is coolant reservoir, middle one is power steering, right one is oil blow by catch, and yes it's an open fitting.


watchout thanks for your support I'm sure I have not violated any law, I have done extensive research on this matter and trademarks are name related, patents are for parts and they do not have a patent.



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