Evo 9 20g's!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mar 1, 2006 | 12:30 PM
#76
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
I have posted the entire ordeal about what happened between myself and TC. It is the truth and does cover both sides. I sent a very nasty e-mail to TC and told them exactly what I thought about this entire ordeal. His response was that he was sorry I felt the way I did but that I forced them to sell to other poeple because I was no longer ordering the turbos from him. I then replied with another nasty e-mail which is right along the lines of the current arguement here. I told TC that the only reason I wasn't ordering from him was HE HAS NO FREAKING TURBOS IN STOCK TO ORDER OR SELL. I'm not sure what the idiot thought I was going to order as he has nothing to sell. He used my lack of ordering these turbos from him, which we had an exclusive deal that I would be the only one selling them, as his excuse to break the deal and sell to anyone that wanted them. The problem, as I just said is, HE HAS NO TURBOS TO SUPPLY, SELL, BUILD OR SHIP. There was nothing to order. On top of this he didn't even give me a courtesy call to let me know how he felt, he just went and did it. It's is very clear what the motivation was on his part, just to continue down a dishonest path.
Good news is...........for me anyway. I was on the dyno with my RS again. I was looking at the logs and was noticing that the intake air temps were "broken". I got out of the car and checked the sensor and it was apparently fine. Weird. Got back in and looked at the logs again and then saw that the temps were in fact moving, just not during a run. This was odd as I remembered the air temps increasing in a 3rd gear pull with the 20g on the car at high boost. The pulls I was doing the boost was hitting 28 psi on and the air temps would start at 50 degrees and end at 50 degrees. NO change at all. I went back and looked at some old logs and found temps increases from before. I then pulled the inlet off the turbo to see what exactly I had on the car, found it is the current 20g-9-5 bladed wheel. Interesting. Interesting enough in fact that I put the normal Mitsubishi style 20G wheel'd turbo back on the car. Guess what, AIT's went back up. They climbed every pull by 4-5 degrees on a single 3rd gear run. HP stayed about the same as before, spool up was about the same etc. The turbos are close but the IAT's are pretty amazing. It shows how much more efficient the 20g-9-5 wheel is.
I have the 20g-9-5 back on the car again and have sent the other turbo to FP to have the wheel upgraded to the 5 bladed wheel.
With this bit of information I think come summer time and longer, hotter pulls that the difference in air temps between these two wheels is going to become very important.
I will upgrade anyone with our 20g-9 6 bladed wheel to our 5 bladed wheel for absolutely free. I'll even cover the shipping. There are only 7 of you out there. If you'd like to take me up on the offer just call and we'll have you drop ship the turbo and get it taken care of for you.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Good news is...........for me anyway. I was on the dyno with my RS again. I was looking at the logs and was noticing that the intake air temps were "broken". I got out of the car and checked the sensor and it was apparently fine. Weird. Got back in and looked at the logs again and then saw that the temps were in fact moving, just not during a run. This was odd as I remembered the air temps increasing in a 3rd gear pull with the 20g on the car at high boost. The pulls I was doing the boost was hitting 28 psi on and the air temps would start at 50 degrees and end at 50 degrees. NO change at all. I went back and looked at some old logs and found temps increases from before. I then pulled the inlet off the turbo to see what exactly I had on the car, found it is the current 20g-9-5 bladed wheel. Interesting. Interesting enough in fact that I put the normal Mitsubishi style 20G wheel'd turbo back on the car. Guess what, AIT's went back up. They climbed every pull by 4-5 degrees on a single 3rd gear run. HP stayed about the same as before, spool up was about the same etc. The turbos are close but the IAT's are pretty amazing. It shows how much more efficient the 20g-9-5 wheel is.
I have the 20g-9-5 back on the car again and have sent the other turbo to FP to have the wheel upgraded to the 5 bladed wheel.
With this bit of information I think come summer time and longer, hotter pulls that the difference in air temps between these two wheels is going to become very important.
I will upgrade anyone with our 20g-9 6 bladed wheel to our 5 bladed wheel for absolutely free. I'll even cover the shipping. There are only 7 of you out there. If you'd like to take me up on the offer just call and we'll have you drop ship the turbo and get it taken care of for you.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Mar 1, 2006 | 12:52 PM
#77
Seems like good news for you... might have been better if you made your own thread for it since people coming to this one are looking at the incredible price that they can get the evo9 20g for. The minimal change in IAT is not something that is going to drop the power level and you kno it and if it does 2-3 hp in the summer seems like its worth the 400 dollars less. It might be a good idea for urselve once these turbos come in to buy some. I know that NOLIMIT will be selling them for only $975 shipped in the lower 48 states.
AS A MAIN SPONSOR OF THE FORUM YOU ARE THE ONE THAT SHOULD BE A ROLE MODEL. UNLESS A VENDOR IS PERSONALLY ATTACKING YOU OR BASHING YOUR PRODUCT IN THEIR VENDOR SALE THREAD THERE IS NO REASON WHY YOU SHOULD BE IN HERE.
Before being able to get the turbo at this price it just was not worth it.
AS A MAIN SPONSOR OF THE FORUM YOU ARE THE ONE THAT SHOULD BE A ROLE MODEL. UNLESS A VENDOR IS PERSONALLY ATTACKING YOU OR BASHING YOUR PRODUCT IN THEIR VENDOR SALE THREAD THERE IS NO REASON WHY YOU SHOULD BE IN HERE.
Before being able to get the turbo at this price it just was not worth it.
Mar 1, 2006 | 02:19 PM
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WOW, what a hi-jack. That's a whole bunch of class there.
Edit to add a different take on the whole 5 blade 6 blade discussion from an independant party that knows a bit about turbos.
Edit to add a different take on the whole 5 blade 6 blade discussion from an independant party that knows a bit about turbos.
Originally Posted by Full-Race Geoff
that is very interesting! it is very likely that the 5 blade wheel flows cooler air than the 6 bladed wheel, but it is also likely that the 6 blade flows more air.
if you ever wanted to do a cool test, put a boost gauge in the exhuast manifold, then you can really tell whats going on...
if you ever wanted to do a cool test, put a boost gauge in the exhuast manifold, then you can really tell whats going on...
Last edited by robertrinaustin; Mar 1, 2006 at 02:33 PM.
Mar 4, 2006 | 08:29 AM
#79
You guys can kiss my backside honestly, but.............when I posted the information that I did I didn't bother looking at the actual topic, I did a quick search of my mail box and hit on the links and cut and pasted the information on each post that had 20g-9 in it.
I do apologize to No Limits for posting it in this particular thread and went back and completely deleted 3 of my posts from here. I don't try to make it a habit of jumping into other threads with what I did. Sorry about it.
I was NOT warned by moderators just so you know, I took it down because it shouldn't have been here.
David Buschur
I do apologize to No Limits for posting it in this particular thread and went back and completely deleted 3 of my posts from here. I don't try to make it a habit of jumping into other threads with what I did. Sorry about it.
I was NOT warned by moderators just so you know, I took it down because it shouldn't have been here.
David Buschur
Mar 13, 2006 | 11:41 AM
#86
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
It's good to be the originator of a product rather than the guys that hop on the band wagons later.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Very unprofessional......I posted this after pg.2 glad other people noticed it aswell..
Last edited by PSIbabi21; Mar 13, 2006 at 11:43 AM.
Mar 13, 2006 | 07:34 PM
#87
Originally Posted by PSIbabi21
Very unprofessional......I posted this after pg.2 glad other people noticed it aswell..
EVOlutionary
Mar 14, 2006 | 09:21 AM
#88
Originally Posted by EVOlutionary
It is not unprofessional. It is the truth. Just imagine all the possibilities we would have if all companies put as much time into R&D as Buschur Racing . . . it would be a great thing for all evo owners.
EVOlutionary
EVOlutionary
Mar 14, 2006 | 10:19 AM
#89
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I have been reading this as well and if I were David Buschur I would be opening up a can of whoop A$$ on the turbo building people. He put the R&D into this product only to have it stolen right from under his nose. Very shameless IMHO! TC.com is the true villain here.
David is just acting human in an impossible situation.
Yes the price of the turbo at $975 is nice but the real losers in this situation are us the customers. This is going to make others like Buschur more leary of designing their own products and therefore we might miss out on that one turbo that could have been the sh$t but never happened for fear of this theft!!!
TC.com / Buschur 
I don't have one Buschur product on my EVO nor am I affiliated with him in any way, I just think that this is crap and I feel bad for him in this situation.
BTW, I would and will use any of his products! Just bought my EVO already tuned with the mods in my Sig. I only added Methanol Injection and a re-tune....
-Nate
David is just acting human in an impossible situation.
Yes the price of the turbo at $975 is nice but the real losers in this situation are us the customers. This is going to make others like Buschur more leary of designing their own products and therefore we might miss out on that one turbo that could have been the sh$t but never happened for fear of this theft!!!
TC.com
/ Buschur I don't have one Buschur product on my EVO nor am I affiliated with him in any way, I just think that this is crap and I feel bad for him in this situation.
BTW, I would and will use any of his products! Just bought my EVO already tuned with the mods in my Sig. I only added Methanol Injection and a re-tune....
-Nate
Last edited by EVO-8-Nate; Mar 14, 2006 at 10:27 AM.
Mar 14, 2006 | 10:45 AM
#90
Originally Posted by EVOlutionary
It is not unprofessional. It is the truth. Just imagine all the possibilities we would have if all companies put as much time into R&D as Buschur Racing . . . it would be a great thing for all evo owners.
EVOlutionary
EVOlutionary
Thats my .02