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Old Oct 20, 2006 | 04:44 PM
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Looking for tips on keeping Tarmac Black non-swirly and new looking

Well I remember a thread that gave a list of products to take care of black cars specifically but I could not find it.

So if anyone has pictures of their tarmac black evo and what products you used to keep the paint nice and shiny I would like your help.

I have had black cars before and I know they sell special waxes and whatever, but what have you guys used with success? I dont care about the price. I would just hate to get swirls all over a nice black mr. Gonna try and keep it new looking for as long as possible.

So what wax, polish, buffer, soap, mitt, gear you guys use? I used to use Xymol on my black ITR before, not sure if there are any new products I should be looking at.


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Old Oct 20, 2006 | 04:50 PM
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I use Klasse all in one polish and sealant.. Its the best..
Old Oct 20, 2006 | 04:53 PM
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1. Don't let the dealer wash and detail the car.

2. Go to http://autopia.org/forum/index.php?, search, and ask the same question once you get some background info. It would take way too long to explain all that's involved. That said, don't let my comments put you off. The actual process isn't very difficult. Most of it is in the technique.
Old Oct 20, 2006 | 04:55 PM
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My neighbor used Klasse on his GT40 so I am sure it is good stuff. But it is not available everywhere last time I checked and is it good on black?

FJF: THanks for the link
Old Oct 20, 2006 | 04:58 PM
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Clean, clean, clean, clean is the idea before waxing a black car. Anything you drag across the point gets 10x bad on the overall finish.

I'm a midline type of guy, so I've gone for the Meguiars 3 step system, after a good claybar.

The second step I really like the moisterizer as the EVO paint has a real tendancy to dry and hold salts that dry it out. Waxes then just flow right onto it with minimal effort.

Another idea about wax is consistency. You have to build it up over time.

I know waxes are like religion, but this system has worked well for me.

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Old Oct 20, 2006 | 04:59 PM
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One General rule that is quite simple is not to touch the car, Like you can open doors and stuff, but like don't run you hand accros the paint. Another way is to Wax the Car, that protects the paint and hides most swirl marks. Also don't use rubbing compound to remove debris, there is a special clay that can do that. And When spunge washing be sure to rinse the spunge, use a suffient amount of soap and even if the spunge still has soap on it dunk in the bucket often. i don't have a Tarmac black evo, but I do hate swirl marks. They also attack Blue evos and red ones, And of course the GG. I was smart, went with Apex Silver. If you do get swirl marks, meguires scratch X removes them relatively well.
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FJF: THanks for the link
My pleasure. No offence to anyone, but the bulk of the replies you will/have receive(d) come from amateurs. It doesn't take any longer to do it right and you'll achieve a show quality finish.

BTW, the better products are not available over the counter. The detailing community is very conscientious and you'll see that once you look into in further. Good luck!
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buy one of those paint safe squegies to dry of the car and get most water off then use microfiber towels (can be bought in packs of 20 or so and i throw them out after each use theyre cheap) to dry whatever is left over. Do NOT use regular towels. Also... dont use to much pressure when drying the left over water. TRUST ME, it works . The only thing i have ever used to dry my car is the microfiber towels (theyre relatively small but you can ring them out and they really work great.) i have never had any towel drying marks or swirls on any of my cars


oh and do NOT go to car washes. They use the same brushes sponges and towels all day long and almost never use new/properly rinsed ones. Those dirty towels are really what gives a lot of swirl marks because dirt , sand etc gets trapped in the towels.

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Use onlye 100% cotton and made in america bath sized towels. Zaino(whole system) P21s wax, and a porter cable does the trick for me;-)



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Originally Posted by andifidie
Use onlye 100% cotton and made in america bath sized towels.
FWIW, most of the better, paint-safe (MF) towels are not cotton.
Old Oct 20, 2006 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by FJF
My pleasure. No offence to anyone, but the bulk of the replies you will/have receive(d) come from amateurs. It doesn't take any longer to do it right and you'll achieve a show quality finish.

BTW, the better products are not available over the counter. The detailing community is very conscientious and you'll see that once you look into in further. Good luck!
FJF, the short commentary is becoming hard to understand imho ... just spit it out.

If you personally were 'in-town' I'd probably turn my Tarmac Black over to you and pay you to have at it. Yet, for the sake of discussion, I think what the owner needs is not a list of amorpheus comments, but rather a comprehensive list of "what I would do if I were sitting down to detail a Tarmac Black EVO."

Cheers,

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Where can I get the good microfiber towels that they talk about on autopia? THey have a whole thread dedicated to microfiber towels and they say they are not created equally which i believe....so where can i get good ones? The ones they sell at target I used on my ****ty *** accord and on my crappy integra paint, but for the evo I want to use the best stuff so I dont get swirls.

I searched autopia but didnt see any specific black car threads or product reviews....so is zaino and p21s the best??
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it seems like autopia is pretty good at telling you what products to use, but dont say where to get them and as far as the microfiber towels they dont tell u what brand to buy. If all the best products are online purchase only i wont get a chance to hold em in my hand and look at them like the post on autopia suggests.
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Originally Posted by jcnel_evo8
FJF, the short commentary is becoming hard to understand imho ... just spit it out.
I'm trying to be nice :-)

Yet, for the sake of discussion, I think what the owner needs is not a list of amorpheus comments, but rather a comprehensive list of "what I would do if I were sitting down to detail a Tarmac Black EVO."
Like I said earlier, it would take too long to explain, which is why I referred him to an appropriate forum. The number one thing to keep in mind is not to let the dealer touch the paint. I found FK1 1119 to work well for removing (delivery) grime, wax adhesive, etc:

http://www.fk1usa.com/products-consumer.htm

After this, there are many options product-wise. At the risk of repeating myself, the technique, itself, is perhaps most important thing.
Old Oct 20, 2006 | 06:01 PM
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Where can I get the good microfiber towels that they talk about on autopia?
http://www.autopia-carcare.com/

http://www.pakshak.com/index.html

http://www.chemicalguys.com/

http://www.properautocare.com/index.html

http://www.openroadmotoring.com/index.html

http://www.detailcity.com/index.html

The first three links should get you set-up. If you need specific recommendations, let me know.

The ones they sell at target I used on my ****ty *** accord and on my crappy integra paint, but for the evo I want to use the best stuff so I dont get swirls.
The Target towels have their uses, like door jams, under the hood, etc.

I searched autopia but didnt see any specific black car threads or product reviews....so is zaino and p21s the best??
Search again :-). There are many black threads. Zaino and P21S are both very good, but both have their drawbacks. As an example, P21S doesn't last very long. BTW, your local Harley dealer sells S100 products that are identical to P21S at half the price.






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