View Poll Results: Which Coilovers Should I Get?
A'PEXi N1 PRO
4
5.13%
Buddy Club Racing Spec
12
15.38%
HKS Hypermax RS
5
6.41%
HKS Hypermax II
3
3.85%
Tein Flex
24
30.77%
Tein RA
2
2.56%
Tein HT
3
3.85%
TODA Racing Fightex Type FS
2
2.56%
Cusco Zero 2
4
5.13%
JIC FLT-A2
19
24.36%
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which coilovers should i get?
Dec 2, 2005, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ODUB
anybody have any info about the mueller buddy clubs? or the tein HT's? also, to the JIC FLT-A2 owners, do you use them on the track alot? how are they?
http://www.norcalevo.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6736
Dec 2, 2005, 09:33 PM
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I am partial to the Teins. I had a set of Tein SS coilovers on my old Lancer and loved them.
When the funds are available I will be getting the Type Flex w/ EDFC. I have driven 2 Evos w/ that setup and the ride is from another world. If you want a well priced racing suspension get the Tein Flex w/ DFC, you will not be dissapointed. Oh, both cars race in the SCCA and are daily driven. Excellent coilovers PERIOD.
When the funds are available I will be getting the Type Flex w/ EDFC. I have driven 2 Evos w/ that setup and the ride is from another world. If you want a well priced racing suspension get the Tein Flex w/ DFC, you will not be dissapointed. Oh, both cars race in the SCCA and are daily driven. Excellent coilovers PERIOD.
Dec 3, 2005, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Evo442
Dec 3, 2005, 05:06 PM
#35
Originally Posted by 1sweetoz
I am partial to the Teins. I had a set of Tein SS coilovers on my old Lancer and loved them.
When the funds are available I will be getting the Type Flex w/ EDFC. I have driven 2 Evos w/ that setup and the ride is from another world. If you want a well priced racing suspension get the Tein Flex w/ DFC, you will not be dissapointed. Oh, both cars race in the SCCA and are daily driven. Excellent coilovers PERIOD.
When the funds are available I will be getting the Type Flex w/ EDFC. I have driven 2 Evos w/ that setup and the ride is from another world. If you want a well priced racing suspension get the Tein Flex w/ DFC, you will not be dissapointed. Oh, both cars race in the SCCA and are daily driven. Excellent coilovers PERIOD.
Dec 3, 2005, 10:50 PM
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alright i've weighed the options and i'm going with the buddy club racing spec dampers!!!! highest spring rates (besides the HT's) and they've got all the options i want.... i really like the APEX N1's but i think i'm gonna get the buddy's...now...anybody know the cheapest place to order them?
Dec 4, 2005, 11:46 AM
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There is alot of variables here you aren't considering. One, if you run a street tire and a less than aggressive alignment (2.5+ in front 1.3+ in rear), you are not going to get any more performance out of a setup Buddy Club than Flexs.
If I were you, I would look at a good matched setup, if you really want a 'great' handling car. For the street, 10k springs are about all you can really use with a street tire. On track, well that is different, R compounds could justify a more stiff setup, say a 12k or even more for a slick.
On my track Evo, I have a set of flexs with custom springs (the flex is actually dampened for 8k-12k) depending on what tires I am going to run. Last season, I ran 10k all around all season, and had NO issues with roll etc. I also added sways front and rear, chassis bracing, subframes(welded), and strut-tower bracing.
What I am getting at is this. Doing stiff coil-overs is like adding a huge turbo, with no supporting mods. Yes, you will get some benefit, but no where near what you would get from a good matched setup with a smaller turbo and supporting mods.
Spring rate is a small factor in your decision. I would be very weary to even remove the MR setup, because there are some folks who have already designed a spring to lower the car, which is matched to the dampening of the stock setup. Then you add sway bars and bracing, and I guarantee it will be more car than your tires can hold (120+ treadwear).
Also, plan on getting the thing corner-weighted, without it, coil-overs will actually make your car handle worse (MR only).
Below is some vids from Rockingham of my Evo, on OLD street tires for the final dial in session of the year. I am racing time trials next year.
OpenTrack Videos of Evo
If I were you, I would look at a good matched setup, if you really want a 'great' handling car. For the street, 10k springs are about all you can really use with a street tire. On track, well that is different, R compounds could justify a more stiff setup, say a 12k or even more for a slick.
On my track Evo, I have a set of flexs with custom springs (the flex is actually dampened for 8k-12k) depending on what tires I am going to run. Last season, I ran 10k all around all season, and had NO issues with roll etc. I also added sways front and rear, chassis bracing, subframes(welded), and strut-tower bracing.
What I am getting at is this. Doing stiff coil-overs is like adding a huge turbo, with no supporting mods. Yes, you will get some benefit, but no where near what you would get from a good matched setup with a smaller turbo and supporting mods.
Spring rate is a small factor in your decision. I would be very weary to even remove the MR setup, because there are some folks who have already designed a spring to lower the car, which is matched to the dampening of the stock setup. Then you add sway bars and bracing, and I guarantee it will be more car than your tires can hold (120+ treadwear).
Also, plan on getting the thing corner-weighted, without it, coil-overs will actually make your car handle worse (MR only).
Below is some vids from Rockingham of my Evo, on OLD street tires for the final dial in session of the year. I am racing time trials next year.
OpenTrack Videos of Evo
Last edited by Stop&TurnFreak; Dec 4, 2005 at 11:56 AM.
Dec 4, 2005, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Stop&TurnFreak
There is alot of variables here you aren't considering. One, if you run a street tire and a less than aggressive alignment (2.5+ in front 1.3+ in rear), you are not going to get any more performance out of a setup Buddy Club than Flexs.
If I were you, I would look at a good matched setup, if you really want a 'great' handling car. For the street, 10k springs are about all you can really use with a street tire. On track, well that is different, R compounds could justify a more stiff setup, say a 12k or even more for a slick.
On my track Evo, I have a set of flexs with custom springs (the flex is actually dampened for 8k-12k) depending on what tires I am going to run. Last season, I ran 10k all around all season, and had NO issues with roll etc. I also added sways front and rear, chassis bracing, subframes(welded), and strut-tower bracing.
What I am getting at is this. Doing stiff coil-overs is like adding a huge turbo, with no supporting mods. Yes, you will get some benefit, but no where near what you would get from a good matched setup with a smaller turbo and supporting mods.
Spring rate is a small factor in your decision. I would be very weary to even remove the MR setup, because there are some folks who have already designed a spring to lower the car, which is matched to the dampening of the stock setup. Then you add sway bars and bracing, and I guarantee it will be more car than your tires can hold (120+ treadwear).
Also, plan on getting the thing corner-weighted, without it, coil-overs will actually make your car handle worse (MR only).
Below is some vids from Rockingham of my Evo, on OLD street tires for the final dial in session of the year. I am racing time trials next year.
OpenTrack Videos of Evo
If I were you, I would look at a good matched setup, if you really want a 'great' handling car. For the street, 10k springs are about all you can really use with a street tire. On track, well that is different, R compounds could justify a more stiff setup, say a 12k or even more for a slick.
On my track Evo, I have a set of flexs with custom springs (the flex is actually dampened for 8k-12k) depending on what tires I am going to run. Last season, I ran 10k all around all season, and had NO issues with roll etc. I also added sways front and rear, chassis bracing, subframes(welded), and strut-tower bracing.
What I am getting at is this. Doing stiff coil-overs is like adding a huge turbo, with no supporting mods. Yes, you will get some benefit, but no where near what you would get from a good matched setup with a smaller turbo and supporting mods.
Spring rate is a small factor in your decision. I would be very weary to even remove the MR setup, because there are some folks who have already designed a spring to lower the car, which is matched to the dampening of the stock setup. Then you add sway bars and bracing, and I guarantee it will be more car than your tires can hold (120+ treadwear).
Also, plan on getting the thing corner-weighted, without it, coil-overs will actually make your car handle worse (MR only).
Below is some vids from Rockingham of my Evo, on OLD street tires for the final dial in session of the year. I am racing time trials next year.
OpenTrack Videos of Evo
Dec 4, 2005, 05:26 PM
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Good, most folks here stop at coil-overs, as if it is a band-aid. Glad to hear you have a good concept of what it is going to take. Stay away from the 615's for track days, after 5 or 6 heat cycles grip drops 10-15%, which equates to almost one second per lap at some tracks.
I wouldn't worry much about bracing, but I would definitely hit the swaybars first. I couldn't tell much help from the bracing, until you go lower on the treadwear (eg 615's or 215s). As for the Advans, they are awesome, I would love to get another set, but I am going another way right now due to sponsors and testing for some tire companies.
As for where to get the clubs from, I would recommend Mueller or AMS have some available. However, I think Mueller has different setups you can get, depending on how you plan on using the car, and what support mods you have.
I wouldn't worry much about bracing, but I would definitely hit the swaybars first. I couldn't tell much help from the bracing, until you go lower on the treadwear (eg 615's or 215s). As for the Advans, they are awesome, I would love to get another set, but I am going another way right now due to sponsors and testing for some tire companies.
As for where to get the clubs from, I would recommend Mueller or AMS have some available. However, I think Mueller has different setups you can get, depending on how you plan on using the car, and what support mods you have.
Last edited by Stop&TurnFreak; Dec 4, 2005 at 05:35 PM.