Any ideas on suspension setup or alignments to reduce this from happening?
ie. having to tap the brakes mid turn to correct the line alittle. Or in most cases so as to not bump the car in front?

Is this inherent in the stock suspension? I don't recall it doing this though. I have coilovers setup by a well respected individual so I really don't think it's the suspension but probably more likely an alignment issue?

Rear tires toeing out underbraking maybe? Any ideas? thanks

 

happens to me too, just typical of a nose heavy/light rear awd oversteer.

 

Thanks for the reply speed king.

Anybody else?

 

What are you current alignment settings?

 

Mine (stock MR) and most cars out there UNDERsteers if you brake mid corner. They're designed that way with the logic being that a mildly understeering car is easier to control for an average driver in comparison to an oversteering one. I would say it's either your suspension, tyres or brakes.

This is not saying anything against your suspension setup or the guy who did it, at the moment it's just not what you want, in fact the set up was probably trying to counter the understeer. I'm sure if you talk to the guy he should be able to sort you out. It could also be your brakes, if you have a big brake kit, its balance might need looking at.

Alignment should be doing this. If it's your alignment, your car shouls pull to one side when you drive straight or brake hard. Often you'll find the car turn easier in one direction than another.

If you want some place to start, look at your tyre pressures front and rear. Play around with _either_ front or rear by going up say 5psi and see how it goes...

 

I agree with the tire pressures. I have been successful with raising the rear tire pressures. It it like raising the spring rate. Higher rate equals less grip. Higher pressure tends to make a smaller tire contact patch which equals less grip.

You might try a rear sway bar to get the car to rotate more.

But beware a loose car is a fast car IF you can control it. Just ask the Porsche 911 guys.

 

Thanks guy's, my tire pressure is 36-38psi hot. I running kumho mx's. I'm thinking it's the rear wheels toeing out. The last two times I had the alignment checked the rear toe was way off.

As far as the car pulling, yes it pulls to the left. I have the stock brakes and wheels.

 

uhm... mid corner brake sounds bad enough already... you need to drive your car differently. if you have to brake mid corner you're doing something wrong. and if you ARe faced with a reduced radius corner you should left foot brake. otherwise if you're slamming on the brakes in mid corner enough to get the tail out then you shouldn't be driving that way.

if in fact your toe is very off then you should get that fixed before exploring other sus mods to dial out your mid corner brake induced oversteer.

 

You're right. It's not something that should be done. But every now and again, you go round a corner at a pretty comfortable speed and there's some retard doing 15mph or the guy in front missing a gear or something... sometimes, you've got to do it...

 

I understand what you're saying, but if you read my first post I said TAP the brakes no slamming of anything. Sometimes it can't be helped. As you stated in your post about reduced radius corners, or as x838nwy stated in his post.

Thanks for your advice though, I will get the toe checked again.

 

in mid corner u shouldnt be tappin breaks, u should be acceling out. as it is w/all 4wd, when in doubt, accel

 

It sounds like your application is the problem. Tapping the brakes mid corner with any car can cause oversteer.

Like said earlier, you would be surprised at the grip you get when you're on the gas with this car.

Still you need to get that alignment checked. My rear toe was screwed up from the factory.

 

Any braking in mid corner, you are comming in too hot, and the braking is upsetting the weight of the car, and I dont know what you can do for that, unless practice your enterance speed into the corner, so you dont have to brake mid turn. Nothing will avoid the upset of balance, unless you are exempt to the laws of physics! practice/practice/practice, and you will be fine!!!! good luck.

 

Oh yeah, go slower behind the guy in front of you, as if he brakes, you brake, so wait for the straits, and PASS DA SUCKA! then practice your entry points/speeds.

 

Try a set of the harder AMS lower rear arm bushings.

They stop the forward and reverse action on the rear wheels under braking.

MachC5