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Old Feb 26, 2007, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by sponge bob
When you say you did a back to back to back comparisons that means you had access to both sets of NEW tires and would make a timed run then swap tires and make another timed run with the other tire? Then you looked at the data logger for grip data? Something like what was done here?

http://www.grassrootsmotorsports.com...5_tiretest.pdf

by back to back, i meant that i did the test many times without giving the tires much time to cool down to see at what point would they would jsut get greasy.
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According to Falkens website, the 615 255/40/17 is 27.5 lbs ...which is 3.5 lbs more per tire than the 235/45/17 MX....Wow that is a huge difference (and not in a good way)...

http://www.falkentire.com/rt615_sizes.html
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Originally Posted by cij911
According to Falkens website, the 615 255/40/17 is 27.5 lbs ...which is 3.5 lbs more per tire than the 235/45/17 MX....Wow that is a huge difference (and not in a good way)...

http://www.falkentire.com/rt615_sizes.html

ehh... thats kinda expected but they are 1.5 pounds heavier than the 255/45/17's i run
Old Apr 5, 2007, 05:31 PM
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There is no way the MX can compare to the dry traction of the RT-615. If you look at who is dominating in the street class in AutoX, most of them are rocking Falkens.
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Originally Posted by sonicnofadz
There is no way the MX can compare to the dry traction of the RT-615. If you look at who is dominating in the street class in AutoX, most of them are rocking Falkens.
Well I am very curious about this as well...I just cant understand why the weight was not more of an issue...I am NOT looking for an autox tire, rather a very good street tire that can be pushed really hard. I was planning on the 615s until I received negative feedback on sizes (which I now think is a non issue), then learned about the 615 weight which is an issue for me....I am now leaning towards the MX for a street tire.

Has anyone had a negative experience / feedback on the MXs? Thanks

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bump for more information....
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Originally Posted by sonicnofadz
There is no way the MX can compare to the dry traction of the RT-615. If you look at who is dominating in the street class in AutoX, most of them are rocking Falkens.
now that my tires are fully broken in i can say theyre very close if not equal for a good amount time until they get greasy...


the main reason i got them is for drag racing...


taller tire, more squat, same sticky tire


they work greaaaat!
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Originally Posted by 4 Wheel Slide
now that my tires are fully broken in i can say theyre very close if not equal for a good amount time until they get greasy...


the main reason i got them is for drag racing...


taller tire, more squat, same sticky tire


they work greaaaat!
So I imagine a 235/45/17 MXs on the factory BBS would be great too...I wish the 615s were lighter and came in the factory size -- it would make my decision a lot easier.
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just FYI guys, the MX is running almost a decade old compound. it comes nowhere close to new tire technology, even though it was great when it came out. as for drag racing, using a stiff sidewall tire designed for handling is RETARDED

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im w/ warrtalon on this one.... ur test is seriously flawed. if you autocrossed you'd see sometimes 'feeling' fast is actually slow, while slow 'feeling' laps put down quick times. 'feel' is very deceptive when it comes to tires.

its already common knowledge rt615 has superior dry grip/handling then the mx's as long as u are not doing drag launches. one, try autocrossing mx's then going to rt615. you'll see a drop in time. second the launch on rt615 will result in spin from hard sidewall which will cause more spins in second gear possibly too. mx's are just better for dragging. im sorry but as i said you should test more thoroughly.

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Originally Posted by mifesto
im w/ warrtalon on this one.... ur test is seriously flawed. if you autocrossed you'd see sometimes 'feeling' fast is actually slow, while slow 'feeling' laps put down quick times. 'feel' is very deceptive when it comes to tires.

its already common knowledge rt615 has superior dry grip/handling then the mx's as long as u are not doing drag launches. one, try autocrossing mx's then going to rt615. you'll see a drop in time. second the launch on rt615 will result in spin from hard sidewall which will cause more spins in second gear possibly too. mx's are just better for dragging. im sorry but as i said you should test more thoroughly.
Ok I understand that the 615 is a superior tire for autox, but I am looking for a street tire. Which tire would be better for the street: (1) 235/45/17 Kumho MX or (2) 245/45/17 Falken 615 (both are at a local shop waiting to be installed). Thanks guys!
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well wat stops me going w/ the MX in my opinion is there i am running 17x9 wheels and 255/35/17 is optimal. mx's dont come in that size, while rt615 does. if it was purely street, i think both tires are solid choice (although mx will feel slightly less nimble on spirited driving)
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OK...again if I were on a wider rim I would go with the 255/40/17 615, but I am on the stock 17x8 BBS that come with the MR. So with that information, do you think I would still be better off going with the 245/45/17 Falken 615s which weigh 3.5 # more per tire than the 235/45/17 Kumho MXs? I also wonder if the 245/45 will look a bit tall compared to the stock 235/45...

Thanks for your help....
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I have ran a set of MX and two sets of 615. The MX is a great street tires with a softer sidewall for comfort, however...its a tad noisey. I also tracked with the MX and it gets a little greasey after 20mins hard use. The 615 grips very well but it seems to wear out a bit faster than the MX. If you are looking for a long lasting street tire and not ultimate performance then I would go with the MX. BTW, I am running on 615 so there you have it...I like the 615 better.

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Originally Posted by tlclee
I have ran a set of MX and two sets of 615. The MX is a great street tires with a softer sidewall for comfort, however...its a tad noisey. I also tracked with the MX and it gets a little greasey after 20mins hard use. The 615 grips very well but it seems to wear out a bit faster than the MX. If you are looking for a long lasting street tire and not ultimate performance then I would go with the MX. BTW, I am running on 615 so there you have it...I like the 615 better.

Tom
Tom- What size 615 are you running and on which rim size? Thanks


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