Carbotech Bobcat Pads
Jun 8, 2003, 12:59 PM
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Carbotech Bobcat Pads
from their website :
"Carbotech Bobcat (1521) :
For 2003, Carbotech introduces Bobcat (1521), the much anticipated replacement for our heralded Super Street F. Like our Panther line of compounds, Bobcat is a ceramic based friction material offering practically zero rotor damage. Bobcat offers outstanding performance when cold, very low dusting, and low noise with an excellent initial bite. Friction coefficient is .5-.55 over it’s operating range of ambient temp to 900F. Bobcat is suitable for street, SCCA Solo 2 and Prosolo applications."
That coef. of friction is quite good... To tell the truth the Hawk's initial bite was a bit lacking, or maybe I was expecting more. ITs difficult to say as the pads were just a bit too small.
$179 front/ $99rear ... I am going to order some as soon as i get payed. Madmatt, check your pms
(yes I still have my evo 6, the chap that was supposed to buy it chickened out at the last minute)
"Carbotech Bobcat (1521) :
For 2003, Carbotech introduces Bobcat (1521), the much anticipated replacement for our heralded Super Street F. Like our Panther line of compounds, Bobcat is a ceramic based friction material offering practically zero rotor damage. Bobcat offers outstanding performance when cold, very low dusting, and low noise with an excellent initial bite. Friction coefficient is .5-.55 over it’s operating range of ambient temp to 900F. Bobcat is suitable for street, SCCA Solo 2 and Prosolo applications."
That coef. of friction is quite good... To tell the truth the Hawk's initial bite was a bit lacking, or maybe I was expecting more. ITs difficult to say as the pads were just a bit too small.
$179 front/ $99rear ... I am going to order some as soon as i get payed. Madmatt, check your pms
(yes I still have my evo 6, the chap that was supposed to buy it chickened out at the last minute)
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Jun 8, 2003, 01:21 PM
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hmmmm.... Very low dusting. This is a big selling point for me. Compared to the OEM brembo pads, the lack of dusting on the Hawks was amazing!!!!!!!! its been 2 weeks since I got the car back from the garrage and the wheels have only a bit of dust on them (still mostly shiny!) ... This is after 300km of aggressive street driving.
Looking forward to fitting these pads..
Looking forward to fitting these pads..
Jun 8, 2003, 06:05 PM
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Go over to www.nasioc.com and do a search on "Carbotech" or "Bobcat" for more reviews. The WRX and 350Z enthusiasts here in the US are really the first groups as a whole to give Bobcat a try.
Jun 8, 2003, 06:27 PM
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Re: Carbotech Bobcat Pads
Originally posted by jemm
from their website :
"Carbotech Bobcat (1521) :
For 2003, Carbotech introduces Bobcat (1521), the much anticipated replacement for our heralded Super Street F. Like our Panther line of compounds, Bobcat is a ceramic based friction material offering practically zero rotor damage. Bobcat offers outstanding performance when cold, very low dusting, and low noise with an excellent initial bite. Friction coefficient is .5-.55 over it’s operating range of ambient temp to 900F. Bobcat is suitable for street, SCCA Solo 2 and Prosolo applications."
That coef. of friction is quite good... To tell the truth the Hawk's initial bite was a bit lacking, or maybe I was expecting more. ITs difficult to say as the pads were just a bit too small.
from their website :
"Carbotech Bobcat (1521) :
For 2003, Carbotech introduces Bobcat (1521), the much anticipated replacement for our heralded Super Street F. Like our Panther line of compounds, Bobcat is a ceramic based friction material offering practically zero rotor damage. Bobcat offers outstanding performance when cold, very low dusting, and low noise with an excellent initial bite. Friction coefficient is .5-.55 over it’s operating range of ambient temp to 900F. Bobcat is suitable for street, SCCA Solo 2 and Prosolo applications."
That coef. of friction is quite good... To tell the truth the Hawk's initial bite was a bit lacking, or maybe I was expecting more. ITs difficult to say as the pads were just a bit too small.
Jun 8, 2003, 06:44 PM
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nice heads up there Claudius.... when I was reading that my brain registered 900*C... lets hope thats a typo. I will continue the research before ordering anything...
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Jun 8, 2003, 07:00 PM
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Carbotech Engeneering state all their temperatures in degree Fahrenheit; they say the pad is a street pad and makes little dust and is track worthy in a moderate temperature environment;
I would therefore assume that there is no error and that they are indeed talking degree Fahrenheit.
The only pad they have that I would consider is the PANTHER XP (1108) which, rated at 1350°F (732°C) is not too far from Pagid RS14 pads (800°C with 900°C possible for short periods of time).
I would therefore assume that there is no error and that they are indeed talking degree Fahrenheit.
The only pad they have that I would consider is the PANTHER XP (1108) which, rated at 1350°F (732°C) is not too far from Pagid RS14 pads (800°C with 900°C possible for short periods of time).
Jun 8, 2003, 07:21 PM
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Our temperature ratings are in degrees F. Our Bobcat is a STREET pad. In fact a very good street pad. A pad we know our customers inevitably will take to the track, where they do "OK" IMO. I personally did the track testing on them. If it's track/race you're looking for, Panther XP is indeed a better choice.
edit: Our temperature ratings, in general, tend to be, shall we say, conservative
edit: Our temperature ratings, in general, tend to be, shall we say, conservative
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Jun 8, 2003, 07:32 PM
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Given that Evos have relatively bad brake cooling, I wouldnt go for anything below 1200°F (650°C). Imagine going down a twisty mountain road: your brakes would be gone after a few miles...
They shall be ok on a track (with more airflow and cooling), though. As you said, it depends where you drive.
They shall be ok on a track (with more airflow and cooling), though. As you said, it depends where you drive.
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Given that Evos have relatively bad brake cooling, I wouldnt go for anything below 1200°F (650°C).
Imagine going down a twisty mountain road: your brakes would be gone after a few miles...
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Jun 8, 2003, 11:08 PM
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Originally posted by Maddmatt
The difference may be in how the different manufacturers aquire that number. There is no standard.
The difference may be in how the different manufacturers aquire that number. There is no standard.
Originally posted by Maddmatt
The sorta-official national gathering of WRXs occured a few weeks ago at a mountain road in extreme western NC. 11 miles, 300+ turns, 3000 ft elevation change. One guy caught the paint on his Bobcat pads on fire. Still stopped his car no problem.
The sorta-official national gathering of WRXs occured a few weeks ago at a mountain road in extreme western NC. 11 miles, 300+ turns, 3000 ft elevation change. One guy caught the paint on his Bobcat pads on fire. Still stopped his car no problem.
Seriously, I dont see how that's possible. Can you explain it, please?
Jun 9, 2003, 08:35 AM
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Can you be more specific?
Rotors begin to glow cherry red at a sustained temperture of ~1400F. Our race pads do not fade when run against these glowing red rotors.
Can you explain it, please?
Jun 9, 2003, 10:09 AM
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Thank you very much, that makes a lot of sense.
What I meant about the guy racing down the mountain was this:
assuming the rotor temperature was around 1400°F, wouldnt that result in brake fluid boiling like it does on my car when the discs get red / orange? And thus cause a spongy or even useless brake pedal going straight through to the metal which I would call a "brake problem"?
What I meant about the guy racing down the mountain was this:
assuming the rotor temperature was around 1400°F, wouldnt that result in brake fluid boiling like it does on my car when the discs get red / orange? And thus cause a spongy or even useless brake pedal going straight through to the metal which I would call a "brake problem"?
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And thus cause a spongy or even useless brake pedal going straight through to the metal which I would call a "brake problem"?
Jun 9, 2003, 08:38 PM
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The sorta-official national gathering of WRXs occured a few weeks ago at a mountain road in extreme western NC. 11 miles, 300+ turns, 3000 ft elevation change. One guy caught the paint on his Bobcat pads on fire. Still stopped his car no problem.
The sorta-official national gathering of WRXs occured a few weeks ago at a mountain road in extreme western NC. 11 miles, 300+ turns, 3000 ft elevation change. One guy caught the paint on his Bobcat pads on fire. Still stopped his car no problem.
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