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OZ Ultraleggera
15
31.91%
Enkie Nt03+m
32
68.09%
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Enkei Nt03+m or OZ Ultraleggera?????
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Enkei Nt03+m or OZ Ultraleggera?????
I have a GG evo 9 and I'm not sure which rim to go with. The ultraleggeras are 18x9 +35 and fit perfectly with no mods. The nt03+m are 18x9.5 +27 need a 10mm-12mm spacer up front. I love both rims and they are both around the same price. Let me which one you guys prefer!!
#6
Go with the strongest rim you can afford, that can fit the widest tire you can afford. Lightweight is overrated. Your wheels can slightly deform at high speeds, and this is especially true with sticky tires such as Ecsta MX or RE01-Rs and RT-615's. The stronger wheel always gets my vote and nothing seems stronger (for a cast wheel) than the NT03+M.
It's a good wheel. The rotational unsprung weight savings can be made with 2-peice floating rotors instead.
It's a good wheel. The rotational unsprung weight savings can be made with 2-peice floating rotors instead.
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#9
Go with the strongest rim you can afford, that can fit the widest tire you can afford. Lightweight is overrated. Your wheels can slightly deform at high speeds, and this is especially true with sticky tires such as Ecsta MX or RE01-Rs and RT-615's. The stronger wheel always gets my vote and nothing seems stronger (for a cast wheel) than the NT03+M.
It's a good wheel. The rotational unsprung weight savings can be made with 2-peice floating rotors instead.
It's a good wheel. The rotational unsprung weight savings can be made with 2-peice floating rotors instead.
#13
The counter-face-palming begins.
Here's why. A wheel that sacrifices strength for light weight is effectively more compressible, has less torsional rigidity and is more prone to micro-fissures than a wheel of comparable size and higher weight (using the same construction method of course). The performance benefits end up becoming a trade off. This is not the case with 2-peice floating rotors and the weight savings are pretty much the same as going from a 20lb wheel to a 17lb wheel, but without the sacrifice of strength. Your braking may even improve more with those rotors than with the lighter wheel.
The posted comment wasn't aimed at the cheapo's buying Rota's and jobber cross-drilled rotors. It's aimed at people that like the words "Science" and "Technology" and who are willing to pay to play. This isn't a Ford Focus forum afterall. On the other hand, if your Brembo lettering is still nice and white, don't read this post, and buy whatever you think gives the most "hella flush" look or whatever it is that kids are doing these days in dimly lit parking lots.
As for comparing both wheels, I love the NT03+M for everything it is. If you do require spacers to fit it properly and clear the brembo's, i'd go with the OZ, as that is again another compromise of suspension geometry and is more prone to deflection than a hub-centric direct fit.
Science never deserves a flaming.
Here's why. A wheel that sacrifices strength for light weight is effectively more compressible, has less torsional rigidity and is more prone to micro-fissures than a wheel of comparable size and higher weight (using the same construction method of course). The performance benefits end up becoming a trade off. This is not the case with 2-peice floating rotors and the weight savings are pretty much the same as going from a 20lb wheel to a 17lb wheel, but without the sacrifice of strength. Your braking may even improve more with those rotors than with the lighter wheel.
The posted comment wasn't aimed at the cheapo's buying Rota's and jobber cross-drilled rotors. It's aimed at people that like the words "Science" and "Technology" and who are willing to pay to play. This isn't a Ford Focus forum afterall. On the other hand, if your Brembo lettering is still nice and white, don't read this post, and buy whatever you think gives the most "hella flush" look or whatever it is that kids are doing these days in dimly lit parking lots.
As for comparing both wheels, I love the NT03+M for everything it is. If you do require spacers to fit it properly and clear the brembo's, i'd go with the OZ, as that is again another compromise of suspension geometry and is more prone to deflection than a hub-centric direct fit.
Science never deserves a flaming.
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Originally Posted by fasterbater
This isn't a Ford Focus forum afterall.
The counter-face-palming begins.
Here's why. A wheel that sacrifices strength for light weight is effectively more compressible, has less torsional rigidity and is more prone to micro-fissures than a wheel of comparable size and higher weight (using the same construction method of course). The performance benefits end up becoming a trade off. This is not the case with 2-peice floating rotors and the weight savings are pretty much the same as going from a 20lb wheel to a 17lb wheel, but without the sacrifice of strength. Your braking may even improve more with those rotors than with the lighter wheel.
The posted comment wasn't aimed at the cheapo's buying Rota's and jobber cross-drilled rotors. It's aimed at people that like the words "Science" and "Technology" and who are willing to pay to play. This isn't a Ford Focus forum afterall. On the other hand, if your Brembo lettering is still nice and white, don't read this post, and buy whatever you think gives the most "hella flush" look or whatever it is that kids are doing these days in dimly lit parking lots.
As for comparing both wheels, I love the NT03+M for everything it is. If you do require spacers to fit it properly and clear the brembo's, i'd go with the OZ, as that is again another compromise of suspension geometry and is more prone to deflection than a hub-centric direct fit.
Science never deserves a flaming.
Here's why. A wheel that sacrifices strength for light weight is effectively more compressible, has less torsional rigidity and is more prone to micro-fissures than a wheel of comparable size and higher weight (using the same construction method of course). The performance benefits end up becoming a trade off. This is not the case with 2-peice floating rotors and the weight savings are pretty much the same as going from a 20lb wheel to a 17lb wheel, but without the sacrifice of strength. Your braking may even improve more with those rotors than with the lighter wheel.
The posted comment wasn't aimed at the cheapo's buying Rota's and jobber cross-drilled rotors. It's aimed at people that like the words "Science" and "Technology" and who are willing to pay to play. This isn't a Ford Focus forum afterall. On the other hand, if your Brembo lettering is still nice and white, don't read this post, and buy whatever you think gives the most "hella flush" look or whatever it is that kids are doing these days in dimly lit parking lots.
As for comparing both wheels, I love the NT03+M for everything it is. If you do require spacers to fit it properly and clear the brembo's, i'd go with the OZ, as that is again another compromise of suspension geometry and is more prone to deflection than a hub-centric direct fit.
Science never deserves a flaming.
Just because its light, does not mean its compressible or prone to failure. The key is construction - which you hit upon.
You are looking roughly a $800 brake rotor upgrade vs. a roughly a $1400 tire + ~$800 plus in tires = $2200+. Mathematically, its a no brainer. And I would not use 18x8+ on the street, no need to.
What I would do - 17x8 Enkei RPF1 (15.5 lbs each), keep my tire size. And if you really wanted to spend $2000 - get the 2pc rotors too.
#15
Ok, so it looks like we're on the same page then, sorry i thought i was getting flamed, im used to my local forum where everybody wants to know "who makes the best exhaust" and "where can I get (insert original design part here) for 1/4 of the price".
Lol thanks for getting me on the paraphrasing, it does read a little off the first time around :P
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Lol thanks for getting me on the paraphrasing, it does read a little off the first time around :P
/selfpalm...
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... dont get the wrong idea with the self-palming...