Tomei Camshaft Group Buy
Aug 15, 2005, 04:29 PM
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all of the people who have bought pro's to date have all had larger than stock turbos. most had GT35's. We have 1 customer who just ordered a set to be used on his 3037 (HKS) though it will be some time before we have any dynos, as his motor is also being built
Aug 15, 2005, 04:37 PM
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all of the people who have bought pro's to date have all had larger than stock turbos. most had GT35's. We have 1 customer who just ordered a set to be used on his 3037 (HKS) though it will be some time before we have any dynos, as his motor is also being built
hrm, decisions, decisions.
Aug 16, 2005, 07:31 AM
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your best bet is to search the boards and find the people who have done the procams. There really is not mystery behind it.......the more lift you have, the more the car can make 
Having that valve opening higher allows more air to enter the combustion chamber, and the more air that comes in, the more power and torque can be produced. There is no way I, nor anyone else can say how much more, as that is totally dependant on the setup and the tuning. But with more lift, the car will make more power than any of the HKS's. These have significantly higher lift than HKS do, which is why the springs are required for install (procam only). The Poncams are designed to give a nice flat torque curve, and would be the best choice for a car without intentions of revving significantly higher than stock.
As for the lead time, it is again totally dependant on everyone else. If everyone agrees to air shipping, then that's how we will do it and the lead time would be down to about 30 days
Having that valve opening higher allows more air to enter the combustion chamber, and the more air that comes in, the more power and torque can be produced. There is no way I, nor anyone else can say how much more, as that is totally dependant on the setup and the tuning. But with more lift, the car will make more power than any of the HKS's. These have significantly higher lift than HKS do, which is why the springs are required for install (procam only). The Poncams are designed to give a nice flat torque curve, and would be the best choice for a car without intentions of revving significantly higher than stock.As for the lead time, it is again totally dependant on everyone else. If everyone agrees to air shipping, then that's how we will do it and the lead time would be down to about 30 days
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Aug 19, 2005, 07:52 AM
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Very interested, but need your opinion first. My mods are looking at tme,mbc,bov,intake and cams...pretty much the basics. Would I be best off getting the poncam? I know u said they have higher lift than HKS and why they need springs, so does that mean the poncams arent higher than hks?
Im not going to upgrade turbo's so what do you think?
Im not going to upgrade turbo's so what do you think?
Aug 19, 2005, 11:26 AM
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not sure if they are using cam gears or not - tends to be a personal or tuner preference I find. I tend to like cam gears on these cars as it really helps to degree them and allows good manipulation of the power band and spool characteristics. Others don't like them because it's one more thing to account for and mess with during tuning
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OK guys - if you are interested in getting this GB off the ground, please add your name to the list below. I'll post the details again so people do not need to re-read - every possible question I can think of is answered in our first post:
By popular demand, we are ready to offer the group buy for the Tomei camshafts for the Lancer Evolution. This GB will be open to ALL the grinds offered by Tomei, as well as their spring sets and cam gears.
As some of you may know, Tomei offers 2 basic types of cams for these cars - the Poncam, and the Procam. Poncams are along the lines of the HKS cams, as they have a mild enough lift that they do not require the installation of upgraded springs. The Poncam setups require valvesprings - while Tomei recommends using their springs (of course), you do not have to. We have had many customers run Ferrea and Supertech spring sets with these cams with fantastic results. We can offer the Supertech springs and/or valves as to any GB participants upon request.
CAMSHAFT SPECS
Poncam (can use stock valvesprings): 260 degrees duration and 10.7mm lift on the intake side, and 260 degrees duration and 10.2mm lift on the exhaust side. Great for a stock turbo car, and for those that want to drop the cams in, get reflashed with supporting mods and be done
Procam (requires the use of stiffer valvesprings):
Type 1: These cams feature 260 degrees of duration on the intake and exhaust cam, but steps you up to 11.50mm of lift on both the intake and exhaust cam. This is an awesome cam for a more extreme street setup - would be killer with the stock turbo and 10.5 hotside, TME turbo, or the new white rabbit.
Type 2: 270 degrees duration on both intake and exhaust cam with 11.50mm lift on both sides.
Type 3: 280 degrees duration on both intake and exhaust cam with 11.50mm lift on both sides.
The Type 2 and Type 3 are great for the guys going for big power, such as those using the T67, and GT35 turbos.
CAMSHAFT PRICES
This group buy will require a minimum of 5 buyers.
Poncams - our regular price for these is $725 per set + shipping. For the group buy, price will be $649 shipped
Poncams + camgears - our regular price is $1035.00. For the group buy, price will be $899.00 shipped
Procam Type 1, Type 2 or Type 3 - regular price is $875 + shipping. For the group buy, price will be $725 per set shipped. This includes any of the Procams - you can also order staggered cams if you like (260 intake, 270 exhaust, etc.) for the same price.
Procam Type 1, Type 2 or Type 3 + camgears - regular price is $1175 + shipping. For the group buy, price will be $949 shipped
Valvesprings- our regular price is $399 + shipping. With the purchase of any of the camshaft sets will be $349.00 - there won't be any additional shipping charges since we can include them with the cams. Please note this is just for springs...no retainers are included, as Tomei does not specifically recommend aftermarket retainers.
Tomei also offers a kevlar reinforced timing belt...if there is enough interest we can include this as well.
Timetable: If you are interested in either of the above setups, please post your name on the list below along with the setup you are interested in. Once we have 5 people, we can begin taking formal orders and begin placing the orders with Japan. This GB will remain open for 2 weeks beginning the day we have 5 confirmed participants. From there, we have a couple shipping options. If we arrange these via boat, please allow approx 8 weeks for delivery (this includes the time required for Tomei to manufacture the cams + shippng to the US and shipping to the buyers. We can also arrange for air shipping of the cams from Tomei to us. This would cost an additional $50.00 per pair of cams (if you order springs and/or gears, the airfrieght price would be the same). In order to arrange the airfreight in the most expeditious manner possible, we would ask there be concensus among the group buy participants that this is the route they want to go. To avoid any complications, we would have Tomei ship the cams via air to us, and we would then send them to the participants. This will ensure as prompt of a delivery as possible.
We look forward to getting this going, as we believe these are some of the finest cams available for the Evo
Any questions, let us know!
By popular demand, we are ready to offer the group buy for the Tomei camshafts for the Lancer Evolution. This GB will be open to ALL the grinds offered by Tomei, as well as their spring sets and cam gears.
As some of you may know, Tomei offers 2 basic types of cams for these cars - the Poncam, and the Procam. Poncams are along the lines of the HKS cams, as they have a mild enough lift that they do not require the installation of upgraded springs. The Poncam setups require valvesprings - while Tomei recommends using their springs (of course), you do not have to. We have had many customers run Ferrea and Supertech spring sets with these cams with fantastic results. We can offer the Supertech springs and/or valves as to any GB participants upon request.
CAMSHAFT SPECS
Poncam (can use stock valvesprings): 260 degrees duration and 10.7mm lift on the intake side, and 260 degrees duration and 10.2mm lift on the exhaust side. Great for a stock turbo car, and for those that want to drop the cams in, get reflashed with supporting mods and be done
Procam (requires the use of stiffer valvesprings):
Type 1: These cams feature 260 degrees of duration on the intake and exhaust cam, but steps you up to 11.50mm of lift on both the intake and exhaust cam. This is an awesome cam for a more extreme street setup - would be killer with the stock turbo and 10.5 hotside, TME turbo, or the new white rabbit.
Type 2: 270 degrees duration on both intake and exhaust cam with 11.50mm lift on both sides.
Type 3: 280 degrees duration on both intake and exhaust cam with 11.50mm lift on both sides.
The Type 2 and Type 3 are great for the guys going for big power, such as those using the T67, and GT35 turbos.
CAMSHAFT PRICES
This group buy will require a minimum of 5 buyers.
Poncams - our regular price for these is $725 per set + shipping. For the group buy, price will be $649 shipped
Poncams + camgears - our regular price is $1035.00. For the group buy, price will be $899.00 shipped
Procam Type 1, Type 2 or Type 3 - regular price is $875 + shipping. For the group buy, price will be $725 per set shipped. This includes any of the Procams - you can also order staggered cams if you like (260 intake, 270 exhaust, etc.) for the same price.
Procam Type 1, Type 2 or Type 3 + camgears - regular price is $1175 + shipping. For the group buy, price will be $949 shipped
Valvesprings- our regular price is $399 + shipping. With the purchase of any of the camshaft sets will be $349.00 - there won't be any additional shipping charges since we can include them with the cams. Please note this is just for springs...no retainers are included, as Tomei does not specifically recommend aftermarket retainers.
Tomei also offers a kevlar reinforced timing belt...if there is enough interest we can include this as well.
Timetable: If you are interested in either of the above setups, please post your name on the list below along with the setup you are interested in. Once we have 5 people, we can begin taking formal orders and begin placing the orders with Japan. This GB will remain open for 2 weeks beginning the day we have 5 confirmed participants. From there, we have a couple shipping options. If we arrange these via boat, please allow approx 8 weeks for delivery (this includes the time required for Tomei to manufacture the cams + shippng to the US and shipping to the buyers. We can also arrange for air shipping of the cams from Tomei to us. This would cost an additional $50.00 per pair of cams (if you order springs and/or gears, the airfrieght price would be the same). In order to arrange the airfreight in the most expeditious manner possible, we would ask there be concensus among the group buy participants that this is the route they want to go. To avoid any complications, we would have Tomei ship the cams via air to us, and we would then send them to the participants. This will ensure as prompt of a delivery as possible.
We look forward to getting this going, as we believe these are some of the finest cams available for the Evo
Any questions, let us know!
Sep 14, 2005, 01:28 PM
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it would be impossible to coordinate a GB from 2 different overseas companies...I'd like to just stick to one - preferably Tomei as they are quicker to produce
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I tink one of the reasons y ppl r hesitating putting down their name is [erhaps the cam-settings of the tomei cams....unlike the hks 264/272/280, a couple of folks have oredi put forth their views with dyno figures comparison.
If u can do likewise with the tomei cams, perhaps the response will be better...
Just my thoughts...
If u can do likewise with the tomei cams, perhaps the response will be better...
Just my thoughts...
Sep 21, 2005, 08:00 AM
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Sorry I am not sure what you mean by "settings" - the vast majority of people do not run cam gears with their cams, because they do not have the time to sit on a dyno for hours upon end to play with them. For those that end up getting these, they provide the cam card so people can set them upw tih a gear the proper way, or do their own experimentations
The physics behind these is simple...the lift on the Tomei Procams absolutely WALKS any of the HKS's, and as a result, torque and power figures will be above and beyond what any HKS cam can provide on an identically prepared car
I think it's a foregone conclusion that this is a dead deal at this point....oh well
The physics behind these is simple...the lift on the Tomei Procams absolutely WALKS any of the HKS's, and as a result, torque and power figures will be above and beyond what any HKS cam can provide on an identically prepared car
I think it's a foregone conclusion that this is a dead deal at this point....oh well