machron1

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SORRY, i thought it was open source. my mistake. guess i won't be able to donate my time even if i want to...

EDIT: No wonder I thought it was open source...weird they would mis-represent their project like that

mrfred

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ok, fair enough to say that the ECUFlash program is not open source, but its been a key tool in enabling the open source tuning/modification effort that exists. Always interesting to hear about other tables being dredged up. I agree that there were many tuning features available from the "pros" before the open source effort, but that wasn't my point.

DynoFlash

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Its really rather simple - the "source" code of the program has not been disclosed - shared by the creator - therefore its NOT "open source"

Its a "free" application which is bundled with a product 'cable' that you have to buy.

Al

PDXEvo

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You know, I never noticed that you couldnt get the source code before. I know you can, however, get several of the components that derive this software. Its also under GDL, but not GPL.

mrfred

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That's what I said. I consider the open source aspect to be the community effort to better understand how to effectively tune the Evo and understand how the ECU works.

codgi

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Understood but just saying that if they really wanted to keep up they could. And ridiculously easly to. The problem is that in the long run it is not cost effective. Especially since customers aren't going to want to pay what it costs to maintain pro software engineers full time (what a big chunk of the cost of the software would end up coming from). And definitely not with a free alternative out there.

For the X the pro companies will come in the early and make their money until the free stuff catches up. Then they will be off to the next platform.

On the same open source topic. Its a bit of clever marketing that has gone on with it. And ECUFlash isn't the only one that does it. I can think of several "open source" companies that give away software for free to home users, never share their code but charge through the nose to their corporate customers .

What was nice about the design of ECUFlash was because it used xml it's easy to extend after the fact. So as new discoveries are made a change to some xml and you are you good to go.

But there are several places, most notable jcsbanks' work where if this was truly open source then a lot more progress could have made.

qubrt

FIRST I DID SEARCH but I may have missed it.. OOO and good job on the software. BUT are we going to be able to use our old cables on the x? Just wondering.. IF I asked or missteared this thread MY BAD. really sorry.

codgi

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At best you would probably be able to use them just for logging purposes (some people seem to have been able to get that to work). Flashing isn't going to work for sure.

chmodlf

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Not only does the freeware give us the opportunity to tinker with our ecus, but ecuflash (xml based) gives the opportunity to have people that are so interested the means whereby to further the capability of the software and knowledge of the ECU code.

With Techtom and Ecutek besides paying a heflty fee, you are pretty much at the mercy of their engineers and the pro tuners.

I don' t think anyone (pros and amateurs) would argue that the EVO tuning world is a MUCH better place with ecuflash than the dark ages of Techtom (DOS ugh!) and Ecutek. How many tunes did the pros have to do to break even after purchasing a TechTom license??? Which is a better tool, EcuFlash or TechTom? Answer -- EcuFlash.

And for the pros who feel that their livelyhood has been taken away, there will always be a place for the pros who give a good product and good customer serivce. Many evo owners do not want to take the time to learn how to tune. It reminds me of the world of stocks. Do you want a full service broker who will tell you what to buy or do you want to make your own decisions. There is room in this world for both! Many full service brokers thought the world would come to an end when the discount brokerages started...

And yes I do get the cost of paying for the software engineers. I am in the "biz" myself...

desperado-c

Anybody have any links to info on this topic of having to hack the DSG ECU in order to properly tune the engine ECU? I searched a couple of forum and did a G-search and came up with very little. Is it just a matter of not hitting torque limit which is X% over stock?

Edit: N/m, another thread in the tech section deals with this and says that the DSG and the SST tranny ecu's both have to be hacked or there is no leeway for mods. Not even within a certain percent. That is just ridiculous if you can't even put an intake on without triggering limp mode.